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#151 Phil Hackett

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 07:31 PM

Considering that Rohnert's King is even more of a "driver's track" than SpeedZone PTC it could be even worse, if that's possible.

 
If it's truly a "driver's track" I could get interested in attending. The "punchbowls" were fun for a while. Then I burnt-out.
 
Having the driver make more of a difference than is presently the case takes away the hardware advantage some have now out of the equation. *Driving* against superior equipment is fun. Punching against superior equipment isn't.
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Posted 17 August 2016 - 07:34 PM

It's definitely more of a driver's track. Phil, if you're down in SoCal you should come and check it out yourself.


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 07:48 PM

Back to "fixing" the USRA:

 

It seems to me, and as Rick in an above post stated, the current group inside the USRA are happy with the current state of affairs. I think what the majority of "outsiders" have to say are from experiences from the past and how we'd like to see things return to 40+ Pro entries, 70+ Semi-Pro entries, 96 g27 entries. Because, that would indicate the health of the hobby/racing is good from the Wing Car side of things. It would also mean a reasonable level of local racing regarding the USRA.

 

I don't even know if there *is* a USRA in SoCal. At one time, it was probably the most active of all USRA regions. Now it's quiet.

 

We post and discuss the USRA here and there are, surely, discussions elsewhere online, but no one has proposed or even made a move to make an alternative to the present situation. Until we, you or I decide to do something we should just let it go. Especially someone like myself who hasn't picked-up a controller in more than 20 years. I temper many comments already because I'd sound like the creaky old man shaking his walking cane while telling the youngins how great the old days were and how easy they have it now.

 

NOW, GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 08:01 PM


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 03:00 PM

SoCal USRA is near nonexistent.  Sadly, not enough racers to hold races. I hope they can get it going again.  It's good for our hobby to have ALL forms of slot racing! :)


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 11:19 PM

Tim... yes, it is important. It's all important from Womp Womps to Group 7.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 02:15 PM

Well, actually, while it may be important to have a variety of slot cars... attempting to have organised racing "events" for all of them is a big waste of time, as proven by the latest Nats that had little local racing in most of the classes. So... poor turn-out.

 

Wing and scale.

It's hard enough to get entries for either, let alone for silly divisions within each class that a have no logical basis.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 02:54 PM

True, but with a multitude of classes, you can be a Nats champ by beating only 2-7 guys! :shok:

 

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 03:13 PM

The  " BIG NATIONAL EVENT " should have a maximum of five classes. Qualify, run in your main with your peers, move-ups for top two, A Main determines winner. The whole thing could be done in four days. :scratch_one-s_head:
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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:29 PM

See, Sam, this is where opinions come into play.

No one ever should get a pass to the big dance based on one qualifying lap. You need to race in...

I would not be against top X going to a semi...
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Posted 22 August 2016 - 05:44 PM

 

I oversimplified it quite a bit. But yes, heats then semis and then the "Main Event."


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 06:31 PM

I want to race again, it's been quite a while since Feb. 1992 but will not make the trip and expense if the USRA continues to be as dysfunctional as it appears in the blogs. I am an old arm winder from the 60's & early 70's and have made preparations to produce armatures but will not submit to the USRA for approval as the way it looks my word would be better, if I say it has 50 turns of 29awg wire it does.

 

That being said, has anything happened to ouster anyone that even has the slightest tinge of being unethical or acting not in the best interests of the hobby? When that happens I suspect entries will go up.

 

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 09:50 PM

So we all agree on Box 12, 20, group 27 and Open 7 for wings, correct? Im just trying to clarify.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 12:25 PM

I was content to run all opens back in the 60's & early 70's, yes there were NCC inspired things like unbalanced 12's, Group 20's and even a Group 40 (I have one) that would keep up with opens on the right American Orange tracks. What I don't like is that every manufactured product seems to have been seeded into USRA to either create or protect a market. Racer built chassis, motors etc. were one the rule, not you have to buy everything from approved lists, as an old timer used to making most of what I raced using armature blanks from others or some cobbed together mabuchi blanks along with a chassis built by me would not be allowed to enter a USRA race. If I cut a steel car (still have about 8' of spring steel) by whatever means I choose I could not use it, by the same token I could not use 25 year old chassis that I have for anything but opens, not 27lite cobalt 12 etc.

 

How about getting back to racer constructed stuff, sealed cans and mass produced chassis have their place too I just don't know where. Heck I have been having a heck of a time getting a racers accomplishment recognized because one of the excuses put forth was that the cars are screw/bolt together and not scratch built

 

We still have Cukras, Morrisey and Rule around, how about bringing the NCC back?

 

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:26 PM

The USRA has serious issues at present, and (my opinion) outlived its usefulness long ago. Faced with negative feedback on numerous fronts, it may well be that the end has arrived.

 

Sad?  Perhaps, but, as Clemenza said "These things gotta happen every five years or so – ten years – helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ten years since the last one. You know you got to stop them at the beginning, like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich. They should never've let him get away with that." :D


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:32 PM

The end is here at least for Div. 1. The new USRA is being run by a five-man BoD.



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Posted 16 February 2018 - 02:29 AM

USRA message response indicates Roger is not stepping down, what gives? I like the five-man BoD mentioned.
 
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