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#1 dc-65x

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 05:36 PM

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A dozen or more years ago I built a Lancer-bodied version of this super-cool car:
 
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It ran fine and had some nice detail features but I just wasn't happy with it. A few days ago I reviewed pictures of Gurney's car and the tall and very skinny tires along with the cars narrow track width really jumped out at me:
 
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My car had wider tires, an overly wide track width, and chrome wheel inserts when the real car had satin silver wheels... not to mention the lack of a helmet visor on my driver figure:
 
So the car came apart and new wheels, tires, and wheel inserts were rounded up. Russkit set-screw wheels replaced the threaded K&B pieces. The Russkit wheels were bored out from .500" to .525" to fit the wheel inserts used.
 
The 40 mm German rear tires were replaced with narrower 30 mm Germans:
 
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The wide Russkit front tires were replaced with narrower Revells and the front wheels set up to spin independently:
 
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The chrome Revell Porsche wheel inserts were painted with Tamiya gloss aluminum and a Cox driver's head with helmet visor replaced the Russkit piece:
 
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The chassis got a freshening up:
 
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The Russkit 22 motor's armature was epoxied and static balanced:
 
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The roller was assembled with an 1/8" narrower track width:
 
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The motor is angled down to lower the CG:
 
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When the glue holding Dan's head in place dries I'll get the body on and hopefully the car will look more "korrect" and still run strong...
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Posted 13 September 2016 - 07:11 PM

Beautiful car, Rick!

Would you know if anyone still sells the Porsche F1 bodies? Tom Andersen had repops, but he is now gone.

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Posted 14 September 2016 - 09:42 AM

Thanks, Bill.
 
I have a new in the box Lancer #201 Porsche F1. You can PM me an offer if that sounds interesting. :)

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Posted 14 September 2016 - 04:51 PM

The reworked car:
 
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Next maybe some suspension detail and more appropriate font for the number 30 decals...
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Posted 14 September 2016 - 05:09 PM

Wow, love it. :heart:

Nice to see it again.
 
One of these is in my long list of DSG rides to do.

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Posted 14 September 2016 - 05:10 PM

Hi Rick,
 
One more little thing to do. Correct the mistake that everyone makes, The exhausts exiting the rear, because of the cylinder banks being staggered, the left sticks out further than the right.
 
Apart from that it looks marvelous.
 
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Posted 14 September 2016 - 07:57 PM

Thanks, Steve   :)
 

... because of the cylinder banks being staggered, the left sticks out further than the right.

 
Ooh, ooh! The pipes are conical, too... exhaust "trumpets" if you will. I love it!  :D

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 05:51 AM

Looks even better than the earlier version, Rick - although sometimes those wider tires look more authentically slottesque... 
 
Question: how does this one run? 
 
Besides general curiosity, I'm also asking because all the lightweight Russkit style frames I've tried have not been good handlers (that's mostly on the Bordo "Black" track with poly paint, so very slippery, and no traction potions allowed). But they just seem too light on most tracks these days - unless it's a question of tires... or build quality! 
 
I sent one to the first R&C proxy, but it had never seen a track and finished appropriately low in the standings. Have since tried it out here, with same results, and not really sure what I can do to make it better. 
 
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Posted 15 September 2016 - 03:20 PM

Don't know what you're rules are, but back when Moses was a wee lad we wrapped the front axle tube with solid core solder. You don't need much to make a big difference with these fly-weight cars.

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 06:15 PM

Hi Don,
 
My track surface is a high gloss epoxy paint often used on commercial tracks in the USA. I use a "dot" of Koford glue before each turn and drive a junky flexy car around and around to spread a super light coat of glue around the track. Urethane and silicone tires don't need this but modern tires and "Germans" are much happier with the light coat of glue.
 
On my track the Porsche handles great with no tipping and a nice tail-out drift through the turns. The lightweight doesn't seem to bother the handling at all. On a more heavily-glued high traction surface the story might be different.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 08:12 PM

Beautiful car Rick! Would you know if anyone still sells the Porsche F1 bodies? Tom Andersen had repops, but he is now gone.

 
I'm selling a new Lancer Porsche F1 body (and a few others) on eBay. Opening asking bid is only $10 with free shipping. If any Slotblogers are interested the link to the sale is below:
 
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Posted 09 February 2017 - 01:50 AM

Nice.

 

No international shipping.

 

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 10:29 AM

I can help you, Steve.   :)


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 11:29 PM

Thanks, Pablo.

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 11:48 AM

Excellent job and an eloquent response to the idea that realism is the sole province of "hardbody" models. 

Re: suspension detail - there's not much - suspension arms front and rear and a single leading arm at the front. While many current photos show rear trailing arms, e.g. Chris' photo above, In my research for the two 1/32 versions that I have built, I never found them in any shots taken "in the day."
 
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Posted 10 February 2017 - 08:22 PM

 

...............an eloquent response to the idea that realism is the sole province of "hardbody" models.

 

Thanks Alan. I enjoy working with both hard and clear bodies but adding detail to a clear body is especially fun. The "hardbody only" thinking around me here in Oregon is very discouraging to me personally.


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 05:25 AM

Amen Rick! 

 

There's a definite prejudice against vac bodies here too, at least as seen at the Concours voting in Bordo... given the whole history of slot cars, it's kind of discouraging. 

 

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 07:26 PM

That prejudice unfortunately is rampant all over between hard body and vac formed shells :(

Love both, working on either and with some of the realism displayed on the vac form finishes on here they're just as good if not better :D

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 08:15 PM

I love them both too. The vac body enthusiasts did take a big hit when Victor stopped making his beautiful TrueScale line of bodies though. :(


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Posted 23 February 2017 - 03:16 PM

Very cool build.

Have you seen these resin Gurney heads in 1/24th

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 05:29 PM

Hi Lee,

 

Yes, I have some of Immense Miniatures amazing driver's figures. I try to use only period parts as much as possible in my builds but it's hard to resist using such beautiful items as these.


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Posted 23 February 2017 - 07:25 PM

I'm usually the same, everything period correct, but I couldn't resist these. 


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Posted 23 February 2017 - 09:13 PM

Does the car have a triple choke weber or does it have 2 twin choke webers? The picture looks to be equipped with a triple choke but your car has 2 twin choke. It could be the angle.

 

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 09:33 PM

Here, I believe, is a picture of the motor:

 

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 11:57 AM

I looked at another picture and it is the angle. The slot car looks good, keep up the good work.

 

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