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#1 DOCinCocoa

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Posted 11 October 2016 - 03:13 PM

Since there appears to be a new steel stamped chassis coming out from JK which does not have uprights to mount a front axle and wheels, the following rules are being proposed.

 

1) Eliminate the requirement of a front axle and front wheels. (In which case, you must have a front wheel sticker or decal.)

 

2) Allow the racers to cut off the front axle upright on existing chasses. (This rule is being implemented so that the racers do not feel like they are at a disadvantage about having the upright while the new chassis does not have it.)

 

NOTE: All interior, bumper height, and body rules will NOT change.

 

Also NOTE: No rule changes to the JK Indy Car car class.

 

Motor rule change:

There is a very strong sentiment from track owners and racers that for the GTP class only, that the Hawk 6 should be allowed to be raced. The motor must remain completely stock; no modifications to the can, magnets, endbell, or endbell hardware. The only allowed changes are the you can:

1) solder in the can bushing,

2) epoxy in the endbell bushing,

3) balance the arm,

4) true the comm,

5) change out the brushes,

6) change out the springs for any three-coil spring.

 

You can NOT have the comm wrapped or time the endbell in any manner.

 

​So for the GTP car class, you have the option to run the Hawk 7 or the Hawk 6 motors. Personally, I really like the Hawk 6 motor with its better brakes, but you give up distance on every track call. So its a wash. When the Hawk 7 and Hawk 6 were both allowed in LMP, the Hawk 7 won several of the races.

 

What do you Florida racers think?


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Posted 11 October 2016 - 03:32 PM

Loving the no front wheels rule.

I've been preaching this for a while. It made sense last year and still does today.

Thank you, JK, for forcing the issue!

I don't necessarily have an opinion on the rest of the rules. I'm cool with them either way. Of course I'm a diehard. LOL.


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Posted 11 October 2016 - 07:39 PM

I think every series and/or racing program stays strong by having a stable set of guidelines. But you have to evolve with the times. In other words, don't change what ain't broken and fix what is. 2017 will be the 11th year of racing under the My Series banner and there have certainly been a lot of tweaks/changes/evolutions to the Guidelines. Mostly for the good. And a few that were flops. Live and learn.

 

The front wheel rule seems to be the way flexi racing is heading across multiple series. Real tough to get the smoke back in the bottle... or the slot car motor :) .  And, I agree that the front wheel stickers look better than a lot of the fronts we currently run.

 

I've waffled more than a politician on whether I'm "for" or "against" allowing the front uprights to be cut off of existing chassis. On the "for" side, it would prevent some of the chassis/pan bends that happen when one car hits another. On the "against" side, we might be letting even more smoke out as the standing rule of the land has long been you're not allowed to remove chassis material. Tough to police exactly how much you can cut off. Perhaps a rule that you can bend them down but have to keep the upright.  

 

Either way... my opinion is that it's time for the change and, as DZ pointed out, it's convenient that JK forced the issue with their new chassis.

 

JK Indy Car - No changes. This spec class is easy, fun, and has proven to be quite popular.

 

4" NASCAR - No changes (other than the General Guideline change regarding fronts)

 

LMP by JK - No changes (other than the General Guideline change regarding fronts)

 

GTP - Change to allow the JK Hawk 6 as an optional motor to the JK Hawk 7. I'm a big fan of the JK Hawk 6 motor and would love to see it come back. At SCR&H in Jacksonville we raced them in our GT1/LMP class for three or four years and found them very reliable and very consistent - with a little straightforward blueprinting. (Glue the endbell bushing, make sure everything is lined up, and change the springs and brushes.)  For about $23 (motor + springs + brushes... are H6s still $17?) you have a fun motor that's rebuildable.

 

Other topics???    

 

I really enjoyed the combo races with GRRR. I hope they continue.

 

The race day got a little long some times with two divisions for each of the four classes. Perhaps figure a way to run three of the four each month?

 

Maybe someone can reach out to Greg Walker and see if we can have a discussion at the November race in Holly Hill.    


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Posted 11 October 2016 - 08:59 PM

Rollin: thank you. Very well said; I wish I could write like you.


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Posted 11 October 2016 - 09:11 PM

Goodbye fronts! Thanks, Doc and Rollin, I have two bullet H6 ready and waiting.  

Reduce flexi clearance to .050" - tested at Holly Hill no problem.

2017 - should be six commercial tracks in FL - are the two new ones to be invited?

Florida needs a punched King!

 


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Posted 11 October 2016 - 09:32 PM

Here's my opinion on the proposed 2017 My Series rule changes...

 

1) Eliminate the requirement of a front axle and front wheels. (In which case, you must have a front wheel sticker or decal.)

Great, It's about time we got rid of the solid front axle!  What race car actually ever had a solid front axle anyway.  Also this will align our rules with other flexi racing groups.

 

2) Allow the racers to cut off the front axle upright on existing chasses. (This rule is being implemented so that the racers do not feel like they are at a disadvantage about having the upright while the new chassis does not have it.)

NOTE: All interior, bumper height, and body rules will NOT change.

Great, I totally agree with the above!

 

3) No rule changes to the JK Indy Car car class.

Great! I think this is a a needed "spec" class and should remain as is.

 

4) Motor rule change:

There is a very strong sentiment from track owners and racers that for the GTP class only, that the Hawk 6 should be allowed to be raced. The motor must remain completely stock; no modifications to the can, magnets, endbell, or endbell hardware. The only allowed changes are...

I don't agree with this change, I say we keep it simple and allow only the Hawk 7. If we allow the Hawk 6 it will just mean having to buy more different motors and probably require more time before the race trying out both types of motor to see which is better. Tuning time is short enough as is.  This change also complicates things for newbies.  'm pretty much going with "If it ain't broke don't fix it" in this instance.

 

5) I really enjoyed the combo races with GRRR.  I hope they continue.

The race day got a little long some times with two divisions for each of the four classes.  Perhaps figure a way to run three of the four each month?

I agree with this completely!


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Posted 11 October 2016 - 09:34 PM

Charlie, what two additional tracks are you talking about? Have these track owners ever contacted the directors of MySeries or have sent racers to the MySeries races? In addition, all tracks should have sufficient pit space and have a reasonable amount of parts, mainly bodies, motors, chasses, tires, axles, bushings, etc. I say these things as a racer. Personally, I would love to race at the track in Avon Park. But I see several major drawbacks to this being practical. 


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Posted 11 October 2016 - 09:40 PM

Jay, I have heard from many racers. The unanimous opinion is that four car classes makes for a day that is too long. So we are all in agreement on this matter. In fact, three of the raceway owners say the same thing, as well as the Retro guys. So it's a foregone conclusion that we will have only three races each race meet next year.  However, I would like to make this topic the subject in a different thread.


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Posted 11 October 2016 - 10:11 PM

I heard Four Wide Slotcar Raceway is coming soon in Jax. Maybe November.  


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Posted 11 October 2016 - 10:57 PM

We will see what happens with the Jax track.


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Posted 12 October 2016 - 01:41 AM

I heard Four Wide Slotcar Raceway is coming soon in Jax.  Maybe November.  

 

In my opinion November is overly optimistic.

Steve is moving forward with his plans but at this point he only has a logo. And it's a really cool logo.

I recommended a location that is owned by a guy we were talking with last year when our rent went too damn high. I think Steve has zeroed in on it as a location that will be visible yet affordable, but that building is still under construction.

Not my circus, Not my monkeys these days... but one of the better ideas behind My Series was that raceways earn their race dates by sending racers to races. I don't think there's any question that Jacksonville racers continue to support the Series. The only question is when will Steve truly be up and running. But the dude has to get open first and I know firsthand that getting open can take a minute.


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Posted 12 October 2016 - 05:35 AM

For the four GRRR/Myseries races I suggest the following.

Three classes.

We alternate race to race, one Retro class, two flexi; next race two Retro, one flexi, etc. I believe this is the fairest way to handle it. Four classes is just too long when we have a really good turn-out.


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Posted 12 October 2016 - 08:47 AM

Thanks for your support, guys. 


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Posted 12 October 2016 - 09:44 AM

Four classes is just too long when we have a really good turn-out.

 
That's a good problem to have!  :)
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Posted 12 October 2016 - 08:51 PM

For the four GRRR/Myseries races I suggest the following.

Three classes.

We alternate race to race, one Retro class, two flexi; next race two Retro, one flexi, etc. I believe this is the fairest way to handle it. Four classes is just too long when we have a really good turn-out.


Good idea, Tony, I second this proposal for the summer race program, it makes perfect sense.
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Posted 30 October 2016 - 07:23 AM

Me and DZ pushed for the front wheels last year it got overwhelmingly turned down. Even a big war on here about front wheels. I thought it was established a car isn't a car with no front wheels so we stayed with front wheels??? I went out and bought like 20 pairs of front wheels... thought i was safe.... There is only one thing that could have changed everyone's minds and i should have known it. If this new chassis was Mosetti, would we change the rules or just ban the chassis? I think i know the answer LOL.


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 09:26 AM

LMAO.


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 10:13 AM

You think its funny??? I just had Jack powder coat 20 sets of front wheels cool colors and everything. Don't tell me this...


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 10:52 AM

I told you front wheels don't belong on a flexi. You got caught up in the, "If it doesn't have front wheels it's not a car" propaganda.

Yes, I think it's funny front wheels on a flexi that don't even look like wheels or have a function or purpose type of dude.
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Posted 30 October 2016 - 01:13 PM

"If it doesn't have front wheels it's not a car"

 
You know a slot car is one of those things that runs on a slot car track, right?
 
Didn't you mean: "If it doesn't have front wheels it doesn't look like a car"?  :laugh2: 


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 01:38 PM

Well I'm voting no on #1. I say we have to have front wheels. 


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 04:30 PM

Well I'm voting no on #1. I say we have to have front wheels.


You can persuade my vote if you hook me up with some powdered coated high performance flexi front wheels that don't look like wheels or even function.
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Posted 30 October 2016 - 04:51 PM

Danny,

 

What is the present front tire rule? Do they have to touch and roll or just be there?


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Posted 31 October 2016 - 10:46 PM

No, their job is to be there and look cool. And mine are gonna look the coolest!! DZ's too maybe a couple more to swing the vote LOL.


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Posted 01 November 2016 - 06:26 AM

Requiring fronts would eliminate the new JK chassis which if faster would not be a bad thing. It would keep rules stable and not obsolete everyone's cars.

 

As an outsider I can see growth in My Series, which is good.


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