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Posted 13 October 2016 - 12:19 PM

Attached to this post is the 2017 Approved Bodies List that will be incorporated into the next publication of the IRRA® Rules.

The following notation appears on the first page of this document:

"Note that certain bodies are highlighted due to their unavailability to distributors and/or raceways or to an inability to meet the required thickness specifications. Racers will have nearly (1) one year to use up their stock of these bodies. As of 9/1/2017, the greyed-out bodies will not be legal for use in IRRA® racing and they will be deleted from the Approved Body List.

Should any of these manufacturers desire to return their product(s) to approved status, sample bodies meeting IRRA® specifications will need to be resubmitted and/or proof of supply from the manufacturer to the receiving raceway(s) and distributor(s) will need to be furnished."

The Approved Body List is being revised because the following manufacturers currently are unable to supply bodies.
Red Fox - unavailable in proper thickness
TrueScale - unavailable to raceways
O/S - unavailable to raceways
Lancer - out of business
G-Force - out of business

The IRRA® believes it is not fair for racers who want to buy certain bodies from their raceway, but can't because of limited production or distribution, to have to compete against racers who are able to source them elsewhere.

Attached File  2017.irra.body.list.pdf   3.39MB   269 downloads

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 12:48 PM

To clarify the above post, if someone shows up with a once approved Truescale or O/S body, will they be allowed to race at an IRRA event?

 

Until September 1, 2017


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 12:49 PM

They will be allowed to run them until Sept. 1, 2017.

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 01:45 PM

So how many raceways have to stock a body before it's not considered "unavailable to raceways"?
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 02:05 PM

BS politics!


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 02:18 PM

I would think if any track can call a distributor and order any body on the list they would be considered available. If they can't order them because the distributor can't get them (not talking about a reasonable back order) Then they are unavailable.

 

The body list is huge, if we can clean it up and make it simpler to see what's legal and available would be great...

 

Just my opinion...


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 02:40 PM

If they aren't available then they aren't available. That should be a reason to delete them from the list? Who says they won't be at some point in the future.

 

For the long term this could be a policy that comes back around and bites one in the caboose.

 

Overall a bit of an overreach in my view.



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Posted 13 October 2016 - 02:41 PM

Steve, if they are available again then changes can be made. Doesn't anyone read what it said?

 

"Should any of these manufacturers desire to return their product(s) to approved status, sample bodies meeting IRRA® specifications will need to be resubmitted and/or proof of supply from the manufacturer to the receiving raceway(s) and distributor(s) will need to be furnished."


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 02:42 PM

Why not a spec body per class? It works well for ISRA!

 

Most premier events have 4 or more classes, a different manufacturer could be represented in each class. 


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 03:04 PM

If they aren't available then they aren't available. That should be a reason to delete them from the list? Who says they won't be at some point in the future.
 
For the long term this could be a policy that comes back around and bites one in the caboose.
 
Overall a bit of an overreach in my view.

 

Steve,

Your question was already answered in the original text, but here it is again;

The IRRA® believes it is not fair for racers who want to buy certain bodies from their raceway, but can't because of limited production or distribution, to have to compete against racers who are able to source them elsewhere.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 03:07 PM

If they aren't available then they aren't available. That should be a reason to delete them from the list? Who says they won't be at some point in the future.

 
I think the IRRA® is doing the right thing. If some racers/race tracks can get a certain body, and some can't, then that's not a level playing field.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 03:14 PM

Hopefully the manufacturers affected will resolve the issues.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 03:16 PM

Anybody can get o/s that orders them. And if your raceway cannot have them contact me. I'll order the bodies and get them to the raceway for just the cost of shipping. The raceway covers the shipping I will charge what I am charged not a penny more. I'm not in it to make money. I'm in it to race. And race with what is best.

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 03:20 PM

I hope Swiss forgives me for speaking out of turn, as I'm not at all on the IRRA® Board but I do understand the question of component legality.

 

If I'm understanding correctly, the issue is not that O/S bodies are not available for sale as clearly they appear to be available direct from Ron Hershman as you describe, Jason.

 

The issue, however, is that the component legality hinges on whether or not the bodies are available for commercial sale through the traditional distribution channels (Eagle, ERI, REH, Professor Motor, et al). 

 

If the Board has determined they are not and does not view direct sale as a viable channel of availability, then the legality of the component comes into question. 


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 03:25 PM

Find me a part number at a distribution company for the Chicagoland F1 body. There isn't one. Mr. Swiss sell them to racers. Same as Ron. The Chicagoland body is very good. But so is the O/S which is why people run them. Currently in Ohio has Tristate, Fastraxxx, and Mark's Model World all have O/S bodies in stock in some form or design. Only one major track does not. But I can't buy a Chicagoland anywhere in Ohio but maybe one track. I didn't check stock levels last time I was there. But Ron answers me just like Swiss does when I call to make an order. Both have offered very good service to me and they both get my repeat business because of this.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 03:31 PM

Jason,

 

The difference is any raceway that wants my M7C doesn't have a problem getting them from me, and at a full discount.

I sell five times the amount of bodies to raceways, vs direct to racers.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 03:32 PM

I know that. You are a great person to deal with. But all one has to do is call Ron and he will sell you bodies. Personal is personal but business takes the higher priority for Ron and O/S... otherwise I would never get them. LOL.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 03:33 PM

I would stock either the Chicagoland or the O/S McLaren were they available through my wholesalers. As they are not, I am effectively limited to stocking the Parma BRM and Matra bodies. I have no issue with this as both Parma bodies are a quality product, but general racer consensus is that they are not the most competitive bodies and as such there is not nearly so much demand.

 

Thus I raise the specter of Direct Sale versus Commercial Sale. If the Chicagoland is available through a wholesaler, though, I would like very much to know which one so that I can have them on my pegs.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 03:34 PM

Here's an example to those of you who are wondering if I read the rules. I did. I was in search of the O/S '68 LotusTurbine body since the TrueScale version are not currently available which both are on the approved body list.  I have a couple of the Truescale left, but they are so good I didn't want to use them

 

The raceway I would call my home track does not carry O/S brand at all. Fair enough. I understand. Tracks should stock what they want to stock. I don't have a problem with that. I still wanted the body. It's approved, it's legal, it works good, and most of all... it looks cool. So what I did I do? I went  to a secondary retail source who is a body painter/body reseller. Then I ordered them and I paid full retail  when they were received. Mission accomplished

 

So this begs the question what if these bodies are available through other secondary re-sellers... like body painters... or slot racing supply mail order re-sellers?  You know there are a lot of racers who don't have a track 20 minutes away and we use the mail order as secondary retail suppliers like mail order houses to keep things going since we can't get to the raceways as often as we like.

 

To me this is cutting off one's nose to spite your face, but at the end of the day it's your sandbox.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 03:36 PM

O/S bodies just contacted me. All bodies are ready to ship and available to raceways at FULL raceway discount. That is from Ron himself. He is by the phone or ready on Facebook to take and fill orders at this moment!!


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 03:46 PM

I would stock either the Chicagoland or the O/S McLaren were they available through my wholesalers. As they are not, I am effectively limited to stocking the Parma BRM and Matra bodies. I have no issue with this as both Parma bodies are a quality product, but general racer consensus is that they are not the most competitive bodies and as such there is not nearly so much demand.
 
Thus I raise the specter of Direct Sale versus Commercial Sale. If the Chicagoland is available through a wholesaler, though, I would like very much to know which one so that I can have them on my pegs.

 

They have always been available to a raceways at a full discount.

Note the first post from my original as in 2013.

http://slotblog.net/...-retro-f1-body/

Raceways that carry my body (off the top of my head);

Boogie Raceway
Cheerio Speedway
HVR Raceway
Mark's Model World
Port Jeff Raceway
The Race Place NJ
Rapid Raceways
Slot-Car's-R-Us
Speedzone NJ
Thayer Raceway
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 04:00 PM

Every slot shop i've been to has O/S bodies in Ohio... seems like a personal vendetta in my opinion.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 04:08 PM

IRRA board members and racers

I am not trying to stir the pot or cause any issues with what I am doing. All of you donate your time and energy and money to help Retro racing and Retro racers. I am now offering my time and my resources to help. Help any racer any raceway who feels they can not get O/S bodies to get them. If you feel O/S doesn't sell to you or you can't seem to get them I'm volunteering my time and resources to make sure you do. I want not a dime for my efforts I would just like to help resolve this issue and help the hobby

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 04:28 PM

Not directly on subject but I can not find a listing of O/S bodies.

 

What are the numbers and what do they look like?


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 04:30 PM

Jason,

 

The fact you had to make the above post, shows what the situation is.

I've had three raceways and two body painters personally tell me the same thing.

1) They order O/S bodies.

2) O/S requires prepayment.

3) In the four month period that they haven't received their paid-for bodies, O/S doesn't return phone calls or emails, inquiring about their status.

This is neither made up, or a vendetta.

The Florida "My Series" statewide race series doesn't allow O/S bodies because of lack of availability.

One of the raceway owners I cited above has banned O/S bodies from being raced at his raceway.

Who hadn't forgotten when Mike Iles, of Speedzone, called out O/S on FB Slot Car Race Talk, for not shipping prepaid bodies, nor answering correspondence?

As posted, if we feel we have sufficient proof the supply situation has changed, the O/S bodies will be reinstated, possibly before the delisting takes place.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 04:30 PM

Notice the first post only outed O/S for not being available. I've been bounced from tech plenty of times for body thickness as well. So if Ron is going to start shipping to raceways and or distributors make sure they're legal before being shipped.
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 04:35 PM

Look at Premier race results... O/S has been very good at winning or finishing high. Also your tech director passes them. So which is it? They aren't too thin and I can make one call and have them. Seems to be no issue. But at times I can't get Parma bodies. So what will we do when they fall short? You are taking once again a choice out of racers hands. I'm offering to help anyone feeling slighted in any way. I'm offering to do this free of charge and have all this crap put to rest for the racers and hobby. And I have no past with any situation prior to last year so I'd say I'm the most unbiased to help


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 04:40 PM

Jason,

 

See my post #25.

You may have missed it while your were making your last post.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 04:59 PM

And I'm trying to help with the issues in any way I can. Not for me, for the racers that race in the IRRA. We shouldn't be subjected to run only Parma or Chicagoland F1...  which is what it will be if you look at the results over the last year. I/s Parma and Chicagoland. I truly don't understand what raceways you are mentioning all the way. Could it be IRRA raceways have more trouble in getting the bodies? Or choose not to carry them? In that case why hurt the racer because of the past or a choice?


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:12 PM

Jason,

If I want to order a Big Mac, I shouldn't need a go between to get it for me. I should be able to walk into McDonald's and purchase it.

If the situation of not answering phone calls or emails, wasn't real, Mike Iles wouldn't have had to resort to calling out Ron on his own FB page. Please explain how not answering correspondence is acceptable behavior for a manufacturer?

The IRRA® is just trying to be fair to all the racers who realize supporting the raceway is important.

Buying from a manufacturer in a reasonable manner shouldn't require a secret handshake.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:20 PM

Jason,

 

The fact you had to make the above post, shows what the situation is.

I've had three raceways and two body painters personally tell me the same thing.

1) They order O/S bodies.

2) O/S requires prepayment.

3) In the four month period that they haven't received their paid-for bodies, O/S doesn't return phone calls or emails, inquiring about their status.

This is neither made up, or a vendetta.

The Florida "My Series" statewide race series doesn't allow O/S bodies because of lack of availability.

One of the raceway owners I cited above has banned O/S bodies from being raced at his raceway.

Who hadn't forgotten when Mike Iles, of Speedzone, called out O/S on FB Slot Car Race Talk, for not shipping prepaid bodies, nor answering correspondence?

As posted, if we feel we have sufficient proof the supply situation has changed, the O/S bodies will be reinstated, possibly before the delisting takes place.

 

That seems pretty bad to me. I don't know why anyone would question the IRRA®'s decision in light of that.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:24 PM

If I wanted a Chicagoland F1 body I would have to go through the the same style hoops. My local raceway could not order them from Eagle. And honestly how are we to know raceways have been truly hung out to dry by Ron. Since the split could it not be a choice to not sell them by some? If the channels are there for your body... the same channels are there for Ron's. In terms of pure boiled down basic way to source a body for F1 you and Ron are on the same level. Either the shop orders direct or the racer orders direct.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:29 PM

But I can't imagine you'd have any problems timely getting what you ordered from Mike.

 

I don't understand why you're ignoring the issues people are having with O/S. You seem like a nice guy. Why doesn't that bother you?


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:34 PM

I don't have those issues. And I enjoy the bodies hence the reason I'm trying to help the racers in any way I can instead of letting the issue about supply fade away and let the rules change next year. Because if not the IRRA racers trying to do something about it... the BoD members will happily make O/S illegal.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:37 PM

And just for the record I've never had an issue getting my order from Ron or Mike. Always good service and in a reasonable time frame. Not a bad word can be said about anybody I've felt with. All the shops and builders direct have always been great. Some places aren't getting that service... so I'm stepping up and saying I will help in any way. I don't see anyone else doing that. They just want to write it off and be done with it.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:40 PM

I've never seen a CL body on the wall at MMW and that is a fact. I guess it's who ya know, Jason. I know i had to order CL bodies direct from Swiss using the "secret handshake."


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:41 PM

All this reading has made me hungry.

 

Mike, can you go to your local McDonalds and order me a Big Mac combo meal? No salt on the fries please. I'll cover the next day air shipping costs.

 

Thanks.

 

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:41 PM

Willy, did you ask Mark if he ordered any? Guess not.
 


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:50 PM

I've never seen a CL body on the wall at MMW and that is a fact. I guess it's who ya know, Jason. I know i had to order CL bodies direct from Swiss using the "secret handshake."

 

I brought 12 back after the Sano, only has three or four left sitting on the counter so you had better hurry.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:51 PM

I've never seen a CL body on the wall at MMW and that is a fact. I guess it's who ya know, Jason. I know i had to order CL bodies direct from Swiss using the "secret handshake."

 

At Sano 10, Bill Fulmer picked up 10-12 M7Cs for Mark, along with a couple C/R tech tools, sold to him at a 40% discount.

 

Mark never contacted me previously, trying to get them.

 

From my original Dec. 6, 2013 ad, and not edited:

 

The first Retro body created on a 3D printer.

 

IRRA™ approved.

 

$7.00 each - standard discount to raceways.

 

Edit: looks like Bill F already posted


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:54 PM

"the BoD members will happily make O/S illegal."

Really? The rule goes into effect 11 months from now. Plenty of time to rectify the problem, right?

I doubt those raceways that have banned O/S bodies or won't do business with O/S for whatever reason have that right. It's their business.

Personally I won't buy them. Tired of the poor quality. I paint them but customer has to get the body and send it to me?

I'm also tired of raceway owners out here complaining they can't get them. Yes, that is a fact.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:01 PM

 And honestly how are we to know raceways have been truly hung out to dry by Ron.

 

Because the Florida "My Series" has not allowed them for X amount of years.

 

Feel free to contact them, or their race officials, and let them explain why.

 

A raceway in Michigan doesn't allow them to be raced at all. I think it's name rhymes with "Noogie".


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:02 PM

Hey Mike,

 

I need five F1s please... no joke, for real!!!


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:04 PM

Willy, did you ask Mark if he ordered any? Guess not.


Swiss seems to know it ask him.  


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:05 PM

I need five F1s please... no joke, for real!!!


You forgot the "secret handshke," John...

Seems like its OK for one body maker to do this but not the others?! Things that make you go hmmmmm.
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:08 PM

We are not making this ruling because O/S sells direct to racers.
 
What body manufacturer from the Florida My Series decided to ban O/S so they could sell more bodies?
 
You seem to ignore my past post.
 
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How does 11 raceways having them, constitute a secret handshake?

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:11 PM

So your saying O/S bodies aren't in 11 raceways? That's bullxxxx.
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:13 PM

What raceway do you buy your bodies at, Willy?

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:17 PM

REM Raceway, Josh. You want some? They have anyone I or you may need just like all the other slot shops in my region does.
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:18 PM

Didn't know they reopened.
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