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#51 Butters37

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:24 PM

John, PM me and I will make sure you get them. I have some coming tomorrow and I can give you my personal stash if needed.
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:27 PM

How come no one is complaining about TrueScale? Bodies have not been available for a while. Website says can't do it yet some racers can get them.

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:27 PM

Didn't know they reopened.


Never closed. REM still orders parts and great O/S bodies regularly from distributors.
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:28 PM

Fact: O/S bodies are available in more raceways than Chicagoland.

The rule must apply to all, not some.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:28 PM

Because we all know TrueScale is dead and no one runs them. The only company this actually effects is O/S.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:28 PM

Didn't know they reopened.


Guess you didn't have the secret handshake.  :)


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:32 PM

So your saying O/S bodies aren't in 11 raceways? That's bullxxxx.

 
No, I'm not, or didn't say that.
 
I just pointed out that 11 raceways, off the top of my head, got my bodies at a full raceway discount without resorting to calling me out on my own FB page, because I didn't return their repeated phone calls, or answer their repeated emails.
 

Because the Florida "My Series" has not allowed them for X amount of years.
 
Feel free to contact them, or their race officials, and let them explain why.
 
A raceway in Michigan doesn't allow them to be raced at all. I think it's name rhymes with "Noogie".

 
Willy, if you missed the above post, please explain why the above actions were taken by the above race series and raceway?
 
Do either have a history of being involved with O/S and having to remove him from their board?
 
Done with this.
 
I have 45 tech tools to cut off the "extra" lasered parts, and ship to raceways.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:37 PM

You forgot the "secret handshke," John...

Seems like its OK for one body maker to do this but not the others?! Things that make you go hmmmmm.

 

Willy my whole issue with bodies is quality. I have no personal problems with Ron or Swiss or anyone else that pulls bodies. I buy Parma and Mike because the bodies are of a consistent quality, even on both sides, the cut lines are visible, not deformed and they meet the IRRA specs.

 

Ron has a lot of various bodies. His GTP bodies are the go-to body but their quality is a lot better than his Retro work. My observations of Ron's Retro bodies are uneven thickness, one side is correct, the other is paper thin, many times deformed, invisible cut lines. F1 wings misformed. 

 

Will, even if they are available, without any quality improvement I won't buy them. It's really that simple. All Ron needs to do is make a them right.

 

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:43 PM

No, I'm not, or didn't say that.
 
I just pointed out that 11 raceways, off the top of my head, got my bodies at a full raceway discount without resorting to calling me out on my own FB page , because I didn't return their repeated phone calls, or answer their repeated E-mails.
 
Willy, if you missed the above post, please explain why the above actions were taken by the above race series and raceway?
 
Do either have a history of being involved with O/S and having to remove him from their board?
 
Done with this.
 
I have 45 tech tools to cut off the "extra" lasered parts, and ship to raceways.


Riddle me this, Mike. How many of those fine raceways ordered your bodies through a distributor? Now don't avoid the quesrion, Mikey!


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:46 PM

Willy my whole issue with bodies is quality. I have no personal problems with Ron or Swiss or anyone else that pulls bodies. I buy Parma and Mike because the bodies are of a consistent quality, even on both sides, the cut lines are visible, not deformed and they meet the IRRA specs.

 

Ron has a lot of various bodies. His GTP bodies are the go-to body but their quality is a lot better than his Retro work. My observations of Ron's Retro bodies are uneven thickness, one side is correct, the other is paper thin, many times deformed, invisible cut lines. F1 wings misformed. 

 

Will, even if they are available, without any quality improvement I won't buy them. It's really that simple. All Ron needs to do is make a them right.


Poor quility yet wins a lot of races? No one needs you to buy O/S bodies, you buy what you feel is best for you. it's a knee jerk decision IRRA has done here. Swiss bodies legal but my local raveway can't get them from a dist but they can get what will be Illeagal O/S bodies.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:47 PM

And Josh Crutchfield, who do you buy your O/S bodies from? I can post a pic of a shipping label that you got O/S bodies within the last three months.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:47 PM

I can also post a pic of at least 17 shipping orders of raceways ordering O/S bodies.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:52 PM

How do all the guys racing GRRR series get their bodies? The Mike Iles stuff was resovled. Funny thing is SpeedZone will have O/S bodies on the wall for sale for the Fall Brawl. Fact is O/S bodies are in more raceways through a distributor than Swiss or dilworth bodies.
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:55 PM

There is no rule they have to come from a distributor. Dilworth bodies come to me and I distribute them for him.

It's not a knee jerk reaction either. Willy, you seem to get all you want. Guess the raceway has invoices for them and can confirm receipt, right? I know you want to support the raceway and would not by direct.

Once again, this is not effective for 11 months. I repeat plenty of time for it to be rectified. Let's see what happens.

Then again I guess you can use all those you have in RETRO right?


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:58 PM

Don't worry about what i do in RETRO. Show up if you're concerned. I get all i want from any and all the tracks in my region. And I do support my raceways but i guess you know what everyone does.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:59 PM

Lets lock this up and reopen it in 11 months.

 

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:59 PM

Never closed. REM still orders parts and great O/S bodies regularly from distributors.

 

Just curious. Which distributors have O/S Retro bodies in stock?


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:01 PM

There is no rule they have to come from a distributor. Dilworth bodies come to me and I distribute them for him.

It's not a knee jerk reaction either. Willy, you seem to get all you want. Guess the raceway has invoices for them and can confirm receipt, right? I know you want to support the raceway and would not by direct.

Once again, this is not effective for 11 months. I repeat plenty of time for it to be rectified. Let's see what happens.

Then again I guess you can use all those you have in RETRO right?

 

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:03 PM

Willy, it says distributors and / or raceways. Can be either.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:08 PM

So explain to me how Dilworth bodies are legal?


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:08 PM

How will it be determined that the issue is rectified to get those on the banned list off the banned list?

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:12 PM

Willy, I haven't raced an O/S bodies in a few years. I find it odd you have a pic of a shipping label that was sent to me.



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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:14 PM

Simple fact is neither Eagle nor ERI have any OS Ti22s in stock, and little of anything else for Retro from OS.

There are all kinds of ways to get product without ordering from the distributors, but they are all less economical for a raceway.

 

The body making companies that supply quality product through the distributors will certainly be preferred over product that is of lower quality and harder to get.

 

OS has no performance advantage over others, so why bother with the extra hassle and expense?


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:14 PM

I don't have a pic but I know who has it. You may not have raced an O/S body but you have gotten some - correct?


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:19 PM

So let me make sure I got this right...

O/S bodies are stocked by more distributors and raceways then Chicagoland or Dilworth combined, but O/S is the only one being made illegal due to "unavailability"?


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:21 PM

Willy,

 

Sure have. Someone wanted some painted. Had to order them direct since my local raceway was unable to get them. Why so defensive? LOL.



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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:25 PM

Dilworth bodies are readily available through me as his distributor - Retro or Jail Door and have been for years.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:26 PM

Your local raceway refuses to carry O/S bodies. Everyone knows this. If they don't I'll make sure they do.
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:29 PM

Willy, Sure have. Someone wanted some painted. Had to order them direct since my local raceway was unable to get them. Why so defensive? LOL.


I'm assuming your local track is Tom Thumb. I've personally brought boxes of O/S bodies in the door to Mike that he ordered direct from Ron. So, if you say your raceway is unable to get them I must ask when is the last time your raceway contacted Ron to order?

Every member of the IRRA BoD except one has ordered bodies direct from Ron before and received them.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:29 PM

Dilworth bodies are readily available through me as his distributor - Retro or Jail Door and have been for years.


So tell me why O/S bodies are being singled out? They're readily available through Eagle and REH.
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:34 PM

There are five companies listed in the announcement in post one... please explain just how O/S is being singled out?
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:36 PM

The bodies should be available for raceways to purchase, bottom line. In the past when I tried looking for O/S bodies picking where either slim or none here in New England and the reason was the raceways could not get them. Whether it was because they were not available through a distributor or through Ron directly I am not sure. The bottom line problem remains, the bodies were not available.

As for the other manufacturers bodies, I can't remember the last time I saw them raced or requested by racers so I think it was a good move by the BOD to tighten the list up.
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:37 PM

Butters,

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:41 PM

Willy,

 

Guess you missed the post above from Jim HT noting Eagle did not.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 08:07 PM

I guess you and Jim missed this on Eagle's website.

 

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 08:13 PM

A raceway here contacted Eagle two days ago and was told they did not have any nor does ERI and Crawley won't do business with O/S. Same raceway owner was then told by someone he should have ordered direct.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 08:16 PM

ORS and R4. I did not race them this summer as the only ones were to far away and I was swamped at work.

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 08:17 PM

Then tell the owner to order direct, Noose.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 08:18 PM

Apparently he chooses not to. It's his business.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 08:20 PM

So it's his choice. That's the point. It's not that he can't he chose not to. Not the same as being unavailable to raceways.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 08:29 PM

I'm assuming your local track is Tom Thumb. I've personally brought boxes of O/S bodies in the door to Mike that he ordered direct from Ron. So, if you say your raceway is unable to get them I must ask when is the last time your raceway contacted Ron to order?

Every member of the IRRA BoD except one has ordered bodies direct from Ron before and received them.


True. But that has been many years ago. And also before all of the stories about supply issues, extremely long delivery delays, and being ignored when trying to contact O/S. Are the stories true? Don't know because I have decided not to stock O/S bodies any longer. That's no secret.
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 08:33 PM

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 08:46 PM

So tell me why O/S bodies are being singled out? They're readily available through Eagle and REH.

 

If we are going to discuss this be sure of your facts. Eagle has nothing but several year old O/S bodies that nobody wants. Not a single Ti22 and only one F1, a Marta MS80. ERI has nothing. Crawley has nothing. I checked. Most told me they couldn't remember the last order from O/S it has been so long.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 08:56 PM

True. But that has been many years ago. And also before all of the stories about supply issues, extremely long delivery delays, and being ignored when trying to contact O/S. Are the stories true? Don't know because I have decided not to stock O/S bodies any longer. That's no secret.


If you have decided not to sell O/S bodies that's your choice. Local guys like Josh are bypassing you and ordering direct with no issues. So, whose fault is it that they unavailable? The manufacturer or the raceway owner who chooses not to stock product?


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 08:57 PM

I've got a large box of O/S bodies that I purchased/won as race prizes over the years. Most are F1s, but there are some Can Ams. If anybody would be interested in buying them, I'd sell the whole box for $25 plus shipping. PM me for a list if you're interested..


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 09:05 PM

If you have decided not to sell O/S bodies that's your choice. Local guys like Josh are bypassing you and ordering direct with no issues. So, whose fault is it that they unavailable? The manufacturer or the raceway owner who chooses not to stock product?

 

You are exactly right Ralph. Tom Thumb wouldn't have them even if I could buy them everywhere. My choice. But from the look of the tech sheets it hasn't made much difference in sales. North of 90% are NOT O/S bodies. That seems to be the racers choice.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 09:05 PM

Not so fast Ralph. I asked Mike beforehand and he said he couldn't get the from the distributors.



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Posted 13 October 2016 - 09:08 PM

What is the world is a Dilworth? I have never heard of such a body. I can only imagine it resembles a dill pickle? Do any raceways in the South carry this body?

I am thankful for the IRRA and what they do. This rule ia a miss though. It is never too late to right a wrong.
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Posted 13 October 2016 - 09:10 PM

The top racers at the ORS with exception to a few run O/S bodies. An O/S body won F1 at the R4 this year. Retropalooza in Can-Am and won F1 and Can-Am at the opener for the ORS. Not to mention when was the last time a non O/S body won an F1 race at the ors? Had to have been Cap at some point as he uses Parma exclusively.

So they are used and they seem to win or the drivers that win seem to choose them a lot.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 09:11 PM

Not so fast Ralph. I asked Mike before hand and he said he couldn't get the from the distributors.


He couldn't get them, or doesn't want to get them?

According to what he just posted it's because he doesn't want them.





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