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[Lone Wolf]

Just picked these up out of upstate New York.

 

Just gave them a gentle cleaning to remove 50 year old dust and stank.

 

The 1/25 is an original AMT kit body. Notice the guide treatment.

 

The 1/32 is a Revell. What is the motor in this car? Looks like some kind of train motor. The brush assembly fell apart and I'd like to replace it or the motor. 

 

 

 

[Pete L.]

Joe,

 

 Nice scores, looks like you've got the competition covered in both scales !!!

[Jairus]

Joe, pretty sure that motor doesn't belong in the AMT.  By the time AMT got into the hobby they were using Mabuchi can motors.  What you need are the correct cross members and can motor.  Most likely a gray painted motor with no brush tubes like the Russkit 22.

[Lone Wolf]

Thanks, Pete. These really look much nicer in person.

 

So, Jairus, you don't like the cars? 

 

Just breaking your nuts.

 

I assume you mean the Revell. 

 

You are correct on the grey can motor but many people used the Pittman or the Pittman motor sold by Revell as the RP-66. The RP-77 was much larger and would not fit. I have a ton of vintage Revell cars were people chose the "Pittman" option.

 

Here are the Revell instructions showing mounting on both. The kits like the Lotus,BRM and others came with the can motor probably because Revell got them cheaper.

 

The motor in the smaller car is not the standard Pittman I usually see. Has a brass piece at the pinion end. Remember, these were probably actually built somewhere around '63/'64 when the sport was still in it's infancy. 

 

 

 

 

[Jairus]

Wait a minute, you are the one who said in your first post that "the AMT is 1/24th".

The 1/32 Scale car has a Strombecker motor.  
And Indeed you are correct that Revell did use open motors.  Never saw them mounted like that tho.....

[Lone Wolf]

Hey, ain't had your coffee yet 

 

The first post said the AMT Vette was 1/25.

 

I was asking about the motor in the 1/32" Revell car. Bottom of pic.

 

It's not a Strombecker motor. More like a Varney or something like that. Don't know for sure. 

[Jairus]

Joe,

Apologize if I was short, I'm an ugly American I guess.

The sidewinder open motor really does look like a Strombecker Devastator.  I bought one in the package just like that with brass end's for a Unique Engineering Jag I am working on.
But if you say it isn't then who am I to argue?
The rest of the chassis looks nothing like AMT.  Could it be home-made?

[Lone Wolf]

No need to apologize.

 

Just a discussion.

 

You are probably right on the big Vette. So many of those motors look alike that I just call them "Ram" type. 

 

My questions refer to the 1/32 scale car and motor. 

 

Know one knows everything about slot cars, especially me. 

 

Well, maybe there is that one old guy if you catch my drift 

 

Just have a thirst for knowledge on this old junk.

[Jairus]

Okay, I don't know anything about those cars motors. Actually not very interested in anything pre-1964 unless it's for a specific project.

But.... I did pick up a cup of black coffee while driving the Church Van this morning and still buzzed from it.

I gave up coffee back in April, except for a few times socially, because of stomach problems.
The caffeine buzz lasts longer now is all I can say.

Time to fire up the iron!  
(I have a thirst for this old junk too so staying tuned as well.)

[Detroit Dave]

Sweet detailing on these.  Not our typical 8 ear old adding the painted details on these two.  

[dc-65x]

I love C2 Corvettes

 

Neat cars Joe.

[Lone Wolf]

Thanks everyone.

 

These look so much cooler in person, the pictures just do not capture them fully. 

 

I tried to get info on the builder but the seller only knew they came out of Syracuse. 

[don.siegel]

A little confused on the pix Joe: is the perspective off? 

 

What looks like the bigger one is just a regular Revell chassis, and I would guess a very early Pittman motor; looks like a model predating most of the ones adapted for early rail/slot cars. Similar to a DC60, but earlier and/or more primitive! Pittman seems to have used brass endplates on some of these earlier models, like the DC65 that's been seen here - is Mr. Pitt Man around? 

 

The other one has probably a Pittman DC704 sidewinder, with the axle through the motor: only Pittman and Ram (DC426) made those types - the Strommie Devastator had the magnet and axle on opposite ends. 

 

Don

[Ecurie Martini]

A little confused on the pix Joe: is the perspective off? 

 

What looks like the bigger one is just a regular Revell chassis, and I would guess a very early Pittman motor; looks like a model predating most of the ones adapted for early rail/slot cars. Similar to a DC60, but earlier and/or more primitive! Pittman seems to have used brass endplates on some of these earlier models, like the DC65 that's been seen here - is Mr. Pitt Man around? 

 

The other one has probably a Pittman DC704 sidewinder, with the axle through the motor: only Pittman and Ram (DC426) made those types - the Strommie Devastator had the magnet and axle on opposite ends. 

 

Don

 

Probably a DC-60 - they were around in the late 40's so "earlier" is unlikely

 

Could be a DC 704 or 705 (703 had a nylon spur and the 706 had a cast frame) - easy to differentiate - the 704 had a typical machined Pittman magnet, the 705 used a cast magnet that was clearly broken off from a casting tree.

 

EM

[Lone Wolf]

Don, I see now why this whole thing may have been confusing due to the pics. The #16 car is indeed a 1/32 Revell. The other uses an AMT original issue '63 Vette body. 

 

Thanks EM.

 

The brush holder on the motor is like stiff cardboard, not like circuit board type material and has just fallen apart due to age. I have some old books here showing motors and I will try to ID it. These cars were built around '63/'64.

[don.siegel]

As EM confirmed, this does seem to be the DC60 - one of the few that has the commutator away from the pinion! And I guess they did have brass endplates - I misremembered! Nothing too mysterious about the brush gear, but I think the stiff cardboard was on top of some CB like material. 

 

 

 

And here's a Pittman DC704A, which seems the most likely candidate for the other motor... 

 

 

 

Don 

[don.siegel]

Black side pole variant of the DC60: 

 

[Lone Wolf]

YES, that's it, the last one. Odd with the "center" com. Thanks Don.

 

On the other motor for some reason I just never think of those integral motors as Pittmans. Just a mental block. I think many are Pittman or even Strombecker.

 

I just call them Ram type. I used one for this build which may be a Ram. 

 

1950 Chevy 3100 pick-up quick build (don't know how to link it )

 

Not a speed demon but very smooth. Makes for a very simple and quick build. I think I will do some more of these type.

 

Thanks again for your detective work. 

[Pitt Man]

Hey Joe,

 

Beautiful cars!

 

The guys are correct, it's definitely a Pittman DC60,

 

These were made forever until Pittman gave up train motors around 1970. After that, Bowser built them for a couple more decades with the original Pittman tooling.

 

The DC60 is a variant of the 1930's DC6. (wish I could find one now days to complement my DC8)

 

If you would like to get the car running again, I could furnish you with a black frame DC60, NOS, in box. Just holler..

 

On a side note, I'm about 3/4 the through a motor project, kinda hung up on mounting the brush arm plate, putting a Pittcan X arm in a DC60 with neo magnet! Ought to be a wailer when complete. (yup, I'm an oddball)

[don.siegel]

You certainly are Mr. Pitt! That's going to be a fascinating motor to see... 

 

Don