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#1 Steve M.

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Posted 02 January 2017 - 07:02 PM

Been sorting out some things in my parts boxes today. I have had these two chassis for years, can anyone ID them?  
 
The brass one has a Russkit motor, but I don't think it is a Russkit chassis. It is so heavy that I cannot imagine it would be competitive against anything.
 
The wire chassis is decent, no idea what it is though. I am not sure what the motor is either, maybe a Mura? It has a balanced armature with foil decals on each side of the can that are faded. Decal on side says Super Pro. I can see an imprint on the decal on the other side but cannot read it. Runs very nice.
 
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Posted 02 January 2017 - 07:41 PM

I believe the chrome motor is a Champion rewind. I am sure other bloggers will know exactly though!!

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Posted 02 January 2017 - 07:56 PM

My guess on the chrome chassis is a U-Go.


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Posted 02 January 2017 - 09:00 PM

Bob,

That's U-Go Smith to be technically 100% right. But you are correct. They were in the SF Valley area; I never saw any on the east coast, have you? They had quite a few different chassis styles, each nickel or chrome plated. I think all were inlines.

I do have a pair of threaded U-Go blue foam tires, but they came from Pablo. U-Go sold rewound motors, too, but if I remember correctly, they were painted red.


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Posted 02 January 2017 - 09:52 PM

Yes, I had one of he U-Gos for a 16D. I removed the front axle and converted it into an Iso.

1) The mechanics were not the best. 2) The week I finished it some guy named Mike Steube won a race on the West coast with the funny anglewinder chassis.


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 09:23 AM

Pretty sure the brass chassis is a BuzCo - lots of these kinds of chassis around at the time (ca 1965) for the 36D motors - they all weighed about the same! 
 
Nope, U-Go didn't make it into the Midwest much either. They were known more for their motors than anything else - one of the early users of silver wire, I believe - very high-winding, and not a heck of a lot of torque. Not sure they ever made the transition to high-power magnets.

Also those blue foam tires that were very wide: I remember a 7/8" x 7/8" pair... 
 
The 26D would not be a commercial Champion rewind, because it looks like it has regular drill balancing holes, not the slashes used by Champion. 
 
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Posted 03 January 2017 - 10:07 AM

I agree with Don, as my first thought was BuzCo for the brass chassis. 

They made so many back in the early '60s that you can still buy new in the bag chassis kits cheap.

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 10:28 AM

I was thinking the tag on the 26D looks like a Champion label. Would that have been a 607?

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 11:44 AM

Motor could be a 26D Dyna rewind using the Champion 26D.

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 12:18 PM

I don't think the motor is necessarily a Champion.

Champion labels were pretty rectangular. But who knows, maybe the corners were peeling and were trimmed round?

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 12:36 PM

I wonder if I am seeing silver wire on the 26D arm, or maybe just reflection off of the epoxy/varnish...?
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Posted 03 January 2017 - 12:58 PM

Those round cornered chrome stickers are on both sides of the 26D. I doubt if those stickers are motor labels. Above the left side sticker, one can see a residual glue/grime/whatever line left from a former oval shaped sticker. I think the motor is a Mura. Do I see a pintab head on the top of that 26D?

 

Steve Okeefe's  Mabuchi can identifier chart on Slotblog indicates Mura 26Ds used a nickel plated can and a white endbell. 


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 01:40 PM

The brass chassis is a Buzco with Dynamic body mounts. The other is a U-Go with Buzco body mounts. It has nice Ulrich Halibrands all around with the fronts modded to fit a 1/16" wire axle. Can't tell from the pic what they used. It also appears to have a Cox Cuc guide with the hard-to-find original Cox chrome plastic guide cap. 

 

Unless someone put those stickers on the motor which I doubt, it may be an aftermarket rewind although who knows what brand. U-Go 26D rewinds were indeed red, at least the ones I've had. May be a Champion can with the screw hole to retain the endbell, although a pin has been used which looks like its been undisturbed for a long time, 


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 07:38 PM

Thank you all so very much for the information. I have had both of these chassis for atleast 10-12 years. No memory of where they came from.

 

The labels on each side of the motor are chrome foil, not white labels like Champion usually used. Labels appear to be original. On one side it clearly says "Super Pro," hold it up to the light at just the right angle and it's easy to see. The other label has a manufacturer name/logo on it, its just too faded to read it - you can see large capital letters, slightly slanted, close together. Arm is drill balanced.

 

I hope to maybe use this motor on a current vintage project, as it seems to run pretty smooth.

 

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 04:59 AM

Hmm, sounds more like a local brand, at least the "Super Pro," the slanted manufacturer's name could be Mura, but at the office for now so don't have a label to compare it with... 

 

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 10:46 PM

Here are a few close ups of the stickers on the motor.
 
On this one you clearly make out "Super Pro"
 
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And here are a couple shots of the sticker on the opposite side, can anyone figure out what says?

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And the winding on the armature

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 11:28 PM

I would ask PdL if he recognizes the labels He might have seen something similar at the LASCM (Los Angles Slot car Museum). I blew the photos up bigger, but they weren't much help. I could read some of the smaller letters beneath the big ones, but not enough of them to figure out what the word(s) were.

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:10 AM

Where's Sherlock when you need him? Maybe a dusting of some fingerprint powder could bring out those letters...  
 
About as close as I can get is: Winner Whippo, or something like that. 
 
Doesn't ring a bell, and I would still lean towards a local rewind. 
 
Can't really tell if those windings are copper or silver either – seem a little too light for one, two dark for the other... 
 
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 08:14 AM

There were so many raceway brand rewinds back them it will probably be impossible to correctly ID it, but it is cool nevertheless.

Looks like they used the adapters someone used to sell to convert 1/8" threaded fronts for a 1/16" axle. I used to use them all the time. Maybe Du-Bro, or Dynamic. They were aluminum if I remember correctly.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:23 AM

Dynamic, but other companies may have made them as well. I don't think Du-Bro did. 

 

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