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#1 MSwiss

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 07:39 PM

A customer came in to book a birthday party (tenth this month), and brought this in, their car from running at Tom Thumb in Evanston.
 
Not a Pro car, but sort of cool.

 

With some 7/8", plastic hub JK rears I quickly narrowed to properly fit the car, it ran real nice, although I'm not a fan of the noise from the hard fronts, because they camouflage other possible issues.
 

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Hand-painted (Dynamic ?) Porsche 908, with the little Auto World decals, as probably the most redeeming feature.

 

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Typical (Phase III / Cobra ?) production anglewinder chassis

 

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Grind balance marks on the Champion 507.

 

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The Champion 507 label hanging on for dear life. LOL.


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 07:47 PM

Nice production chassis by Phaze III from 1969, with a Champion 507R motor assembled from parts (standard springs with no sleeves... dangerous!) Dynamic rear tires, Cobra fronts, Cox guide, and a Dynamic Porsche body. A nice survivor... :D
 


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 08:01 PM

I guessed right on the body and chassis.

 

I remove a few of the question marks.

 

The motor has sleeves.

 

I added a few more pics.


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 08:06 PM

Yes, it does! I did not see any on the first pics, but now with the sticker, it is indeed a genuine "507R".

 

Unfortunately someone played not nice with the soldering iron... :(


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 08:09 PM

Hence, the rough title. LOL.

 

I post in stages, so I don't accidentally lose everything, which happens once in awhile, especially from my phone.


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 08:52 PM

Most of the cars that I have seen live or online surfacing in raceways appear to almost always be in "desperate shape"... :)
But many can be restored, most difficult really is to find a good body painter!

In the case of anything Cobra-Phaze III-Ferret, the chassis need to be re-soldered first because either cleaning by hand or in the tumbler will provide a nice kit of bits...


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Posted 07 January 2017 - 06:53 AM

From what I remember it used to be hard to keep the motor intact in the chassis due to screwing the motor into the car via a plastic endbell which were made of a low quality plastic. Between loosening the screws to adjust cog lash and stripping the threads or getting the motor loosened up form a crash its surprising that many endbell-drive rigs survived the day.

 

It funny because looking back at the evolution of the hobby something as simple as reverse rotation armatures and driving off of the can side of the motor as we do now-a-days was a huge technological breakthrough.

 

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Posted 07 January 2017 - 07:43 AM

Phaze III chassis, similar to this one, and Mura B-can motors were my weekly race cars from 1970-75 at Modelville Hobby.

 

I would drilll and tap the endbells for 2-56 machine screws, rather than mount motors with self-tapping screws. I also soldered a wire "L" or "U" brace from the back of the motor to the real axle tube. Yes, can-mounted motors might have been more solid, but my endbell mounting method never gave me problems.

 

I also replaced the pintabs on my motors with 0-80 machine screws.


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Posted 07 January 2017 - 11:11 AM

You can barely see it in the pics, but there is a crude, vertical motor brace, made from 3/32" brass tubing, bent in a 90, and soldered to the brass strip in front of the motor, and the front of the can, opposite the endbell.

I touched up the solder joint and the car ran fine for 30 or 40 laps it was driven.

On the 10v we were running on, the car was super predictable.

I was tempted to turn it up to see what it would do, but I didn't want to risk it smoking, along with the brass pinion and plastic spur looking a bit iffy.

Running stuff like this would be fun, but the hard front wheels are really annoying.

I guess back in the day, I didn't notice it because I was so excited to be racing slot cars. LOL.


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Posted 07 January 2017 - 12:20 PM

Those pictures sure bring back memories of my early slot racing days at The Slot Shop in Elyria.

 

I believe that chassis was my first anglewinder and second car overall.

 

Thanks for sharing, Mike.


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Posted 07 January 2017 - 03:28 PM

Add a thin flag spacer or trim the fronts a few thou, end of annoying noise.
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 03:43 PM

Most of the old cars from the sixties have bad solder joints somewhere. It probably came from people using soldering guns rather than good irons. I know I did, and now that I am restoring some of my old cars, I have been cleaning up the bad solder jobs.

I know I should leave them as is, but they are embarrasing. It is the same thing as should you restore an old Ferrari, or leave it "as raced".

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Posted 07 January 2017 - 04:44 PM

Add a thin flag spacer or trim the fronts a few thou, end of annoying noise.


For best performance, we always set fronts to roll the whole lap.
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