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#1 Gene/ZR1

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 03:20 PM

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This is a fresh build near completion.

Large Shinoda Dart, with a NOS 36D, 100% original Dyna-Rewind.
Silicone sponge coated rears with Buz-Co fronts.
Chassis is the typical build for the time, rear hinge Iso (drilled), front is hooked.
This is a beast, performance, well who knows, if anything it's interesting.
 
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Posted 09 February 2017 - 03:53 PM

Sexy beast. :good:
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Posted 09 February 2017 - 05:49 PM

Big Block is sweet...

Yes, to be sure, this is it...


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Posted 10 February 2017 - 09:28 AM

Oh ya! Looks like it could handle the carnage at the next Shinoda reunion!  

Although you might have to put on gloves so your R-4 controller does blister your thumb.
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Posted 10 February 2017 - 12:02 PM

Very impressive beast and build Gene! 

 

Didn't know that Dyna made a 36D model... about the same time as their first 26Ds? before? after? 

 

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:26 AM

Very impressive beast and build Gene! 

 

Didn't know that Dyna made a 36D model... about the same time as their first 26Ds? before? after? 

 

Don 

 

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Hi Don

 

This 36D is a early version,no brush holders. 


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:40 AM

Thanks for the photo Gene. 

 

Very odd tho: Dyna didn't appear in the magazines until 1967, or 66 at the earliest, and by then these motors were long obsolete - I think the 16D and 36D with the brush holders came out in 1965. 

 

Did Dyna do some early motors before they ever began advertising internationally? Does this one have the typical Dyna balancing marks? 

 

Don't mean to bug you about this, just curious about the timeline! 

 

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 11:28 AM

Thanks for the photo Gene. 

 

Very odd tho: Dyna didn't appear in the magazines until 1967, or 66 at the earliest, and by then these motors were long obsolete - I think the 16D and 36D with the brush holders came out in 1965. 

 

Did Dyna do some early motors before they ever began advertising internationally? Does this one have the typical Dyna balancing marks? 

 

Don't mean to bug you about this, just curious about the timeline! 

 

Don 

 

 

Don

 I will take the motor apart for a photo shoot.

Most likely I will upgrade the end-bell and the magnets.

No balance marks noted, just slight polish on the lam's.

 

This was done before my short time there.(my time was at the end of days)

The 26D was there best motors., 16D's well so,so.

 

A little history;

At the PMRaceway, a local (Bob) done his own motors, not balanced 26D, would out run Dyna's, Ted talked to Bob to buy a motor, well, he never got one.

 

will you be coming to the states anytime soon?


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 01:51 PM

Good story Gene! 

 

We had our own local 26D story: a guy named Al who raced at a couple of the tracks I raced at. He had very light 16D powered cars that were rocket fast, but every time we asked him what he did to the motors, he always answered "strictly stock, guys"! 

 

I was just in Chicago in fact, for a family memorial, but only stayed a week... bought lots of brass at my local Ace hardware store! 

 

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 02:13 PM

Good story Gene! 

 

We had our own local 26D story: a guy named Al who raced at a couple of the tracks I raced at. He had very light 16D powered cars that were rocket fast, but every time we asked him what he did to the motors, he always answered "strictly stock, guys"! 

 

I was just in Chicago in fact, for a family memorial, but only stayed a week... bought lots of brass at my local Ace hardware store! 

 

Don 

 

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Here ya go.

The winds are loose, by hand with not much effort, has a non factory advance high timed commutator.

A little epoxy at the com., not tied 

The motor runs good, more like a diesel.

 

I also buy my brass and wire at a old ace hardware, for brass rod, the welding store, 3 foot lengths and by the pound.

 

ps~ next time when your in the states let me know in advance, So I can send a goodie box.


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 06:49 PM

Don, Gene, yes indeed Dyna-Rewind made rewinds using the early FT36 cans and endbell, and those motors have no markings or the white ceramic epoxy.
Dyna also rewound the FT36D motors on Cox kits, the ones with the chrome plated cans, and these had the Dyna sticker.
The leftover metallic rose motors were later liquidated by a distributor in the Midwest. But by that time, the armatures had received the famous white epoxy. The LASCM has several of these new in original packaging.

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 06:54 PM

Was that white epoxy DEvCON, which used to be(maybe still is) commonly available?


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 07:14 PM

Was that white epoxy DEvCON, which used to be(maybe still is) commonly available?

 

Well, I believe it was GM material.


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 07:15 PM

Great idea for a proxy!


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 07:25 PM

Great idea for a proxy!

 

hi Jairus

 a 36-D (diesel) shoot out, wood be fun.


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Posted 13 February 2017 - 01:30 AM

Gene,

 

Great stuff! I am late to this party due to a life gone amuck!

 

 

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 09:47 PM

Hey Don,

 

Sorry, been WAY busy and out of touch for a while.

 

Will get you pictures of the packaging for the Dyna-Rewind 36D motors.  Several years ago I got a bunch at the Toledo Toy Show.  Most were in Bilet packaging, but one was in Dyna-Rewind packaging and no denying they were the same.  My guess is that Ted Lech started by trying to make the newly obsolete 36Ds run better, then gave up and moved to 26s and 16s and dumped what had been done to Bilet (another Detroit company).

 

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 04:37 AM

Thanks Brad, and good to see you back here. 

 

Yep, would love to see those photos of the Dyna 36Ds, that's really a surprise, but your explanation sounds logical. 

 

Any other info on Bilet? I mostly know them from their repackaged Pittman motors... 

 

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