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#1 Racer36

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:41 PM

I had a situation come up last weekend where my motor failed during the last few seconds of my qualifying run. The officials chose to allow me to change the motor, disallow my A main qualifying time and allow me to run the B main. I thought this was more than fair.

I am looking through the IRRA rules and I do not see anything that addresses this situation , except where a hand out motor is used.

 Can  someone point out where this situation is addressed in the rules, or is it that unique?

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:43 PM

I should add that it was a RH, the very first one I have had die.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:46 PM

It is not and it is not an IRRA® rule except as you noted for handouts.  Only the ORS group made a decision to implement a rule. PennOhio allowed you to change in this case.

 

Overall, it is unique since this has not been a problem.  IMO, and I repeat, IMO, it is very hard to determine of the cause of motor failure is due to manufacturing or due to any sort of improper handling by the racer if this happens.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 04:01 PM

Well, I washed my hands before installing it..........


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 04:06 PM

This is funny me and Greg were just discussing this today

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 04:08 PM

So is this one of those cases where if it's not mentioned in the rules it's not allowed? Or are you allowed to change it with no penalty?

I agree it's a very rare issue, but some kind of ruling one way or another would get rid of the confusion when it does happen. There is certainly a lot of confusion when it happens.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 04:20 PM

Yes,

 

I would like to hear what the rules guys come up with on this also.

 

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 04:56 PM

Speaking for the ORS only we will look to see if there is any obvious mishandling by the racer. If a motor is geared to grenade (ie 10:26 etc), abused while soldering it in, over oiled or comm dropped (usually indicated by a greasy comm track), or so old the brushes are toast, then you are SOL. I agree it's not an exact science but we believe its better than just telling you "too bad". If you monkey with a motor and we don't catch it and allow you to change , well, moving to the end of the line for heat and lane choice is a penalty in and of itself.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 04:59 PM

At Fall Brawl back in November, Adam Chaya had a motor expire in qualifying, I believe it was Can-Am. It was clear the thing was at deaths door. He was allowed to change the motor during the 1 minute warmup for his main without a penalty - but I don't know that it was a decision based on a rule, so much as a quick judgement-call for an unusual circumstance
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:44 PM

Yup. Thanks. EDITED. ;)


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 06:53 PM

Just for interest sake.... geared 9/28, not soldered in,not over oiled, no comm drops and brushes are about half there. One pole on the arm is scorched black.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 07:12 PM

Just curious, had you raced it before?

 

If so, on how many volts?

 

On how many volts this time?


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 08:21 PM

That motor had been around for a while. I raced it at Fastraxx on 13.8 if I recall correctly, and Saturday at HMS which was between 13.6 and 14.1 according to my controller. It is an R

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:45 PM

The rule for hand-outs was made after one of the early Sano Coupe races where my hand-out slowed big time in qualifying after it had turned a time good enough to make the A Main. It was not blown and still ran, but because the rules had no exceptions I was not able to change the motor, so I rode around at half speed trying to stay out of everyone's way.

 

I can understand why some don't like traveling to a race with all the expense and such, to then put all that money spent against the $10 motor they picked from a box. But that was the rule back then, and why it was amended as it reads today for hand-out races at IRRA® Premier events.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:29 AM

I feel if the motor fails in qualifying it's like spinning a gear. Take the remaining time in qualifying and the one-minute warm-up to replace/fix it. Motors fail from time to time but not very often. Carefully monitoring brush wear, heat, and brakes of the motor is a major part of race preparation.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 02:39 PM

The rule for hand-outs was made after one of the early Sano Coupe races where my hand-out slowed big time in qualifying after it had turned a time good enough to make the A Main. It was not blown and still ran, but because the rules had no exceptions I was not able to change the motor, so I rode around at half speed trying to stay out of everyone's way.

 

I was there.  :) 

 

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