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#1 Taylor Davis

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:42 PM

Why is Coupe weight 110 grams? I think having the 110 gram minimum is hurting the class because you have to slap so much weight on your car, at least from my prospective. In the south GTC is not run at all.

The chassis specs are identical to Can-Am other that the weight. So if the weight is the same, you can get more participation because all you have to do is slap a coupe body on your Can-Am chassis and go!

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:51 PM

I think Coupe would be more popular than F1 in the south if it were offered. Definitely less equipment needed in the box.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:58 PM

We have seen no difference in participation at all on days when we do run Can-Am and Coupe on the same day. The additional weight is there actually to make the class/cars easier to drive for the majority of racers. 

It is a Tier 2 class and one that many start in. There are not many that run Can-Ams right at the 100 gram mark, mostly because of the variety of tracks raced on where more weight is your friend.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:03 PM

Makes it easier for a new builder to make a chassis close to the minimum weight.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:03 PM

Also Coupe bodies don't have the aero a Can-Am does so the higher weight helps.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:05 PM

If coupe is an intro to Retro wouldn't you benefit in Can-Am as well if a new racer only has to put a Can-Am body to run?

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:07 PM

A lot of guys do that anyway here. Matt Bruce took his Coupe car and removed around 3 grams of weight to drop it from just over 110 to 107-ish and put a Can-Am body on it. He won.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:08 PM

Makes it easier for a new builder to make a chassis close to the minimum weight.


IMO, I think chassis kits do that.

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:08 PM

Not everyone uses kits though.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:17 PM

On a high speed King to boot.

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:41 PM

If I were running Coupe I would just make a removable center plate for my Can-Am and be set. At least that is where I would start.
 
I like the open wheel cars myself, but I can see that it would be easier to run coupe because the Can-Am chassis is usable. I do like having three distinct types of cars with Stock Car, Can-Am, and F1.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:43 PM

Retro South raced GT Coupes for a few years with great success. GT Coupe was always more popular than Stock Cars in this area for several reasons. Not only was it more economical because you could run two classes with one car, but you also didn't have to worry about buying or building Stock Car chassis and parts if you were on a budget.

Not to mention Coupes are easier for the newer or less skilled racer to drive. Easier to drive equals more enjoyment for most.

Also for many years most Can-Am cars were 110 grams anyway so most people didn't have to add or remove weight. Stock Cars have always been the least-attended Retro class in the South no matter what series was running.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:59 PM

My heavier Coupe cars run better on the flatter tracks with the Can-Am bodies.

 

Anyway, how many 1/1 Can-Am races were held on banked tracks? None, but USRRC did race on the Meadowdale banked road course and broke the frame on the King Cobra.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 02:09 PM

Cap Henry has been known to be very successful using heavier Can-Ams to win Premier events. Weight is just a number if it cannot make laps in the slot.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 02:34 PM

Heavier cars are always going to be easier to drive, especially in the gutters, and I'm pretty sure just about every racer prefers cleaner racing.

To say it would improve participation is silly.

If you can't committ to a $1.25 piece of Lucky Bob lead, to put on your $150-$250 car, you really don't want to race. LOL.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 02:37 PM

Another case of where heavier is better is the stock car class.  While the spec is 120 grams I can only think one one racer that attempted to run at that in all of the events we have had this year.  The average weight is around 135 grams nd that is for a high speed king.  More for the smaller and slower type tracks. 


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 02:39 PM

I hope everyone runs a 135 gram stocker at port Jeff noose. I might stand a chance :)
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 02:44 PM

Look at the race reports and XPro's car who set all the records.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:05 PM

Plus for many years, the coupe class was restricted to FK motors and the Can-Am class allowed the Puppy Dogs, so the difference in the characteristics of the cars was greater.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:09 PM

Those years are over. I just think if nothing else, it makes things simple. You can still run a heavy car on flat tracks and a lighter car on a punchbowl.

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:12 PM

Taylor, they are simple. 


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:18 PM

I have been Racing retro for six months and still have to look stuff up from time to time ha-ha, but I guess simpler would have been a better choice of words.



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:20 PM

If you want to make it even simpler, run Can-Am twice.

Our Wednesday night racing used to be two GTP races until the wing car hooligans forced me by gunpoint to let them run Group F.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:23 PM

The only Premier cCan-Am race I've won is the R4, and only once did my car weigh less than 110 grams LOL.

I like that Coupe and Can-Am have different weights; at least makes it slightly different.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:26 PM

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