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#51 Pablo

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Posted 15 April 2017 - 08:48 PM

Gear mesh was perfect. She passes the drivetrain test with flying colors, and is ready for a track test 6 May.

 

Bud, you owe dc-65x a big "thank you" for the new Faas vintage 64 pitch spur gear - very rare and very fine :wub:

 

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Posted 15 April 2017 - 09:09 PM

In the days before angle pinions, those bronze Faas spurs would develop quite a burr on the outer face when running straight tooth pinions. I used to reface this area with a lathe to get more running time from them. Faas spurs with greater than 41 teeth had 1/8" bores but included a machined reducer for 3/32" axles.


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Posted 15 April 2017 - 10:35 PM

Yup. The reducer popped right out no problemo and with a Koford Gold Billet screw, it's balanced real nice :)


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Posted 16 April 2017 - 05:52 PM

Bud, I found a new unpainted Parma #1039B T70 Lola Coupe body in my stash - looks exactly like the body Mike used on the original car:

 

http://slotblog.net/...s-usra-1968-04/

 

I'd recommend after the test you clean and squirrel away the TrueScale Ferrari then paint and mount the Lola.

Use it to run the crap out of the car - you can replace it for $7.00

 

http://e-slotcar.com...oupe-par-1039b/

 

There may never be another TS 330 body like this one

 

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 12:42 AM

Track test results, all good, no problems noted.

Motor runs super cool and has plenty of power.

Handling is all I could ask for, very forgiving, planted in the slot real nice, drifts very controllably.

 

Bud and I waited very patiently all day to test it when the race practice traffic was light enough to avoid problems.

Actually had to wait until all the racing was done before doing it.

 

After I drove it about 20 laps I was happy with it and handed it over to Bud.

I turned my back for a few seconds and during that time the car was placed on the track at full power.

 

Punched the bank and entered the Deadman at full power, all uncommanded.

Bud never even touched the trigger on his controller and watched his car hit the wall, bounce up to the ceiling, then hit the cement floor. I didn't see it, but I heard it.

 

It happened so fast I couldn't even believe it. It took 3 people searching to actually find the car.

The entire rear drivetrain was left laying on the track and the motor was completely ripped free of the chassis.

 

So she is going to require a complete teardown, inspection, rebuild, and retumble at a minimum.

The full extent of the damage isn't known yet, but I will fix it.

 

That's racin'. Or should I say, "testing" :)  The good news is, nobody got hurt :D


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Posted 07 May 2017 - 06:15 AM

Hmmmm....maybe I should put one of my Havlicek power plants in my inline Pablo built  Ferrari 330 and have a race with Bud....oh well..just a thought.



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Posted 07 May 2017 - 06:46 AM

 

I turned my back for a few seconds and during that time the car was placed on the track at full power.

 

Punched the bank and entered the Deadman at full power, all uncommanded.

Bud never even touched the trigger on his controller and watched his car hit the wall, bounce up to the ceiling, then hit the cement floor. I didn't see it, but I heard it.

Paul,

Was this a controller malfunction of some sort or was the controller hooked up wrong?


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Posted 07 May 2017 - 07:00 AM

My first thought was controller hooked up wrong, but I was standing right next to Bud when it happened, I looked down quickly and that wasn't the case. Real shame. After picking up the pieces he put another car on and everything worked fine. One thing I have done in the past was lay the controller down in such a way that the trigger was pressed, (Billy doesn't have controller cradles just a boxed tray) hook it up and the car take off. I never did that much damage but that might be a possibility. :unknw:


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Posted 07 May 2017 - 08:34 AM

Hmmmm....maybe I should put one of my Havlicek power plants in my inline Pablo built  Ferrari 330 and have a race with Bud....oh well..just a thought.

What happened to the H motor that was in it when it left here?

 

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 05:34 PM

The following post-test Ferrari damage assessment isn't intended to be anything other than factual.

Accidents happen. Fortunately, in slot cars nobody gets hurt :laugh2:

The damage was extensive, in fact the car is totalled (in my opinion). There is good news, along with the bad.

 

The good:

 

-body is still almost perfect. Thanks to a sweet TrueScale body, inside decals, quality outside stickers and decals coated with Mop n Glo.

Jairus interior, zero damage

 

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-rear axle tube, separated from the car, but zero damage or misalignment of the vintage unshielded ball bearings.

All four wheels, tires, and inserts, no damage

 

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Both PCH axles still perfectly straight

 

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 06:07 PM

The bad:

 

-rear of motor box and a brace are missing in action, multiple broken joints, drop arm disconnected and bent.

-all four pin tubes bent, pan wire torsioner destroyed, main rails bent

 

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-it appears rear axle tube and motor broke loose at full power. Spur gear grabbed the motor mount gizmo and screws and did some high speed chewing :o

 

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Endbell has a large crack. Pinion didn't go down without a fight - it chewed on the bushing flange 

 

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Motor teardown revealed no damage and it still runs fine. But just to be safe it needs to go in for a checkup.

Rebalance, comm check, minimum.

 

I forgot the best of the "Good News":

She punched the bank full bore no problemo, and the Havlicek arm/Pablo built motor was, uh, plenty powerful :laugh2:

 


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 08:25 PM

On the remake, how about the selective use of silver solder & tie wire?


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 08:36 PM

Excellent question, Sir. I'll be thinking about it for sure.

In a hit as hard as that, something has to give.

 

Failures are always an opportunity to improve :)


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Posted 12 May 2017 - 06:12 AM

This is pretty sad to see.  It's obvious that the car took a huge hit, and I doubt that much could have been done to prevent such severe damage.  What I "like" about this is your "it is what it is, so it's time to get busy and fix stuff" attitude Pablo.  Builders build!


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Posted 12 May 2017 - 08:02 AM

Not to minimize the situation, but before the photo postings, I had expected to see worse damage, based on verbal accounts of the crash. Much of this car is still reusable for another build since it didn't have to go home in a "brown-paper bag." It appears the chassis took the brunt of the force in the crash, But that's not necessarily bad since chassis are a disposable element.


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Posted 12 May 2017 - 09:09 AM

Concur. Since I have the chassis sitting in front of me, shouldn't take long to make a new one.


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Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:56 PM

The arm appeared undamaged, shaft was still straight, and the CA held the mags fine.

I sent the arm back to Alpha for a check anyway, just to be absolutely sure

 

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 03:50 PM

New endbell is 100% blueprinted and brushes re-radiused with my new Koford tool

 

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 04:53 PM

As I broke in and re-tested the rebuilt motor, I looked at my notes from page 1 (thanks to Slotblog):

"2 volts, 2.2 amps, increased gradually to 2.4 amps, then decreased and stablized at a final 2.13 amps after 20 minutes.

3 volts, 2.9 amps, steady decrease to 2.3 amps after 12 minutes, barely warm, stopped, cooled, re-oiled."

 

She acts almost exactly the same as before (maybe even better), so I know she's good to go :good:

Maybe this time she can actually punch a hole in the ceiling instead of merely bouncing off it :aggressive: :laugh2:


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Posted 09 July 2017 - 05:13 PM

Time to save the surviving chassis parts and discard the rest.

This is actually going to be fun, I love tearing stuff up :dance3:

"I built it, and I can fix it" :sun_bespectacled:

 

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 05:29 PM

That was actually fun :crazy:  Whatever parts are still perfect I'll save.

The rest go right into the round file - water under the bridge

 

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 06:13 PM

More solder soup! :good:

 

Was this car too covered by a Pablo repair contract? :unknw:


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Posted 09 July 2017 - 06:37 PM

Yep. 100% covered, no deductible :)


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Posted 15 July 2017 - 03:30 PM

Straightened the motor bracket, re-floated the bracing wires, and re-faced it with 400 wet/dry.

 

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The gouges in the doubler were re-faced and remain as battle scars  :)

Bracket is now flat and ready for installation

 

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My theory has always been, crashing is simply an opportunity to find weak spots in the design and improve them.

Drop arm inspection results:

-brass piece itself was slightly bent, and tweaked back to flat no problemo

-hinge rod was bent and discarded

-flag tubing was intact, but tweaked in it's mounting nest

 

Front axle tube was OK so I removed the uprights, sucked the solder and re-polished it

 

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I re-floated the flag tubing and reinforced it with additional wire pieces.

It's much stronger now

 

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 03:52 PM

Both pans were still almost perfectly flat.

All attached wires and tubes were bent, especially the tubes, and all were discarded.

 

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 08:06 PM

Your perseverance is paying off big time Pablo........nice work!


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Posted 16 July 2017 - 06:05 PM

Thanks Rick :)

 

Tube and bearings, except for a small dimple, are fine so I just cleaned it up.

Time for a wire tinning party :dance3:

 

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 12:52 AM

Amazing build and even more amazing rebuild. Your (can do never say die) attitude shines through.  Reading this was like a roller-coaster, thanks for the ride. 


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Posted 17 August 2017 - 04:28 PM

Getting the jig loaded -  déjà vu :)  Looks like post #20 except for the color of the jig motor can :laugh2:

 

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 04:14 PM

who makes that jig, Pablo?


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 05:49 PM

RGeo


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 06:12 PM

Tex, recall your jig you posted photos of that had cracks & broken-out pieces? Pablo's is the latest version of that jig. His has more pin holes & the placement of those along the sides have changed from yours.


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 06:17 PM

Pablo-

 

With all the building (and rebuilding) you do how do keep your jig so clean?

 

What do you use to clean it?

 

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 06:35 PM

Liquid dish soap and baking soda with a brush between builds.

Soak, clean, rinse, and let dry so the water escapes the holes.

The jig itself won't corrode, all you have to do is not burn it.

The pins occasionally need sandpapering and when badly pitted, replaced with 1/8" axle material.

 

All metal parts/accessories live in a WD 40 soaked plastic tub when not in use.

Plus, I clean as I go. I'm constantly cleaning with p towels and isop. alc.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 02:50 PM

Remember the dimple in the rear axle tube caused by the crash?

 

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I wanted to make a drain hole anyway, so :crazy: ..............

 

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 04:07 PM

I don't install bearings/bushings until after a chassis is completed.  That way, each end of the rear axle tube can act as a drain.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 04:15 PM

That's good for a new build. In this case, one of the very few assemblies that wasn't damaged in the crash was the rear axle tube/BB assembly. The BB's were in there solid and in perfect alignment so I figured, why mess with them?


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 08:03 AM

New chassis is done

 

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Instead of wire wraps, I soldered a piece of wire across the tube connecting the uprights

 

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 05:27 PM

Bud's Ferrari is back in the game 100%

 

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 06:21 PM

Great looking car Pablo.....and it's a Ferrari.  :sun_bespectacled:  I'm in Ferrari mode right now especially after watching the Mecum Monterey auction on TV last weekend. LOTS of amazing Ferrari's crossed the block.


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:49 PM

Has it ever been determined  what caused the problem & crash in the first place? Or was it all smoke & mirrors? The rebuild looks pretty nice. :)


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 08:46 PM

One sexy car :D

That's a Truescale Ferrari if I remember? :heart:

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 08:16 AM

Has it ever been determined what caused the problem & crash in the first place?

No, to this day it is still a mystery.

If someone does know, they aren't talking about it.

 

The only lesson learned is, if the wheels are spinning before the trigger is pulled by the driver,

DON'T PUT THE CAR DOWN :laugh2:


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 09:34 PM

Track test #2 Saturday, 2 September at The Dungeon.

Or, should I call it, second attempt at transferring it to the owner  :laugh2:

I'm 99.9% sure it will go smooth as silk this time and Bud will be happy as a clam :thank_you2:


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 10:35 PM

The only lesson learned is, if the wheels are spinning before the trigger is pulled by the driver,

DON'T PUT THE CAR DOWN :laugh2:

 

I've never seen this happen since I started slot racing in 1963. It must of been one of those "the trouble is okay leaving here" events. :to_become_senile:


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My wife says I don't pay enough attention to her, or something like that.  :unknw:


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 11:40 PM

I find it astonishing that, given the extensive chassis damage, the body survived essentially unscratched.  I can assure you that, from experience, this would not have been the case were it a hard body!

 

EM


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 08:28 AM

Lexan® TrueScale. No paint flaked off in the crash :good:


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Posted 04 November 2017 - 11:23 PM

We have several theories of what caused Bud's Ferrari to suffer an uncommanded full power crash into the Dead Man back in May, but the exact cause has never been determined. Today was Track Test #2, and Bud was (understandably) paranoid of a repeat freak occurrence.

 

I tested it first just like before - it seemed as sweet, maybe even more, than the first test.

After coaxing Bud to "get back on the horse and ride him" by telling him "I made it, I can keep fixing it", he gingerly put it in the slot. This time, he made sure the wheels weren't spinning before setting it down :laugh2:

 

The rest is history. He made a few laps, felt the speed, brakes, handling, grinned happily and put it in his box :)

Mission Accomplished :thank_you2:


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Posted 05 November 2017 - 07:41 AM

Glad you left the batteries out of the car this time. I don't think Bud cared for your little joke. OOPPSS. Wasn't supposed to say anything. LOL. I know he was very happy Yesterday. Except for the JK race.


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Posted 05 November 2017 - 10:00 AM

Destroying a $400 custom car with extremely hard to find parts that takes weeks of labor to build, then rebuild, is never a joke ^_^


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