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Posted 20 April 2017 - 07:22 PM

Rules for the Summer Swing events. Schedule TBA.

 

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 02:06 PM

To make sure it's clear, do the general rules apply to the outlaw class? Meaning it still has to be hard body and plastic chassis (rule #1), no hybrid brands or mixing of pods (modification not specified), no lexan or alternate interior (modification not specified), no open wheel cars such as Caterham or F1 (tires could not satisfy rule #3 as stated), no body parts removed or lightened (modification not specified), no lowering of the body (rules not specified), rubber or urethane tires and no ball bearings (rule #6), etc.

 

Yeah, I'm a stickler, but I think it's fair to want to know exactly what we are and are not allowed to do.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:17 PM

Meaning it still has to be hard body and plastic chassis (rule #1) YES,

No hybrid brands or mixing of pods (modification not specified) mixing OK,

No Lexan or alternate interior (modification not specified) Interior optional, must have a driver (any form),

No open wheel cars such as Caterham or F1 (tires could not satisfy rule #3 as stated) open wheel OK,

No body parts removed or lightened (modification not specified) OK to lighten (but no removing roof),

No lowering of the body (rules not specified) OK to lower,

Rubber or urethane tires urethane OK, 

And no ball bearings NO bb(rule #6)


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 06:08 PM

Updated rules and event info -
   There will be three races:
     July - Eddie's, outlaws and Ninco roadsters
     August - Christophes, Ninco roadsters and IROC
     September - BPR, mini enduro outlaws
 
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Posted 05 May 2017 - 03:26 AM

Lining up the Dates!

Event 1, Eddie's, July 30, outlaw and Ninco.

Event 2, TBD

Event 3, BPR sprint-enduro, September 24, outlaw.
141 minutes total race time, two-man teams.

I'm putting together three teams for event 3, sprint-enduro.
Team 1st, Ferrari F40, Dale Yamashita and Rick Linn
Team A, or "The A Team," Mirage GR8,? and ?
Team Green, Porsche 991, Mike Low and ?


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Posted 06 May 2017 - 02:17 AM

Teams so far:

 

Team 1st, Policar Ferrari F40, Dale Yamashita and Rick Linn

 

Team A (or "The A Team"), Advant Mirage GR8,? and?

 

Team Green, Scalextric Porsche 991, Mike Low and?

 

Team "DTM", Kevin T and Brian B

 

Team Boola, Eddie Shorer and?


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 09:47 PM

Did some useful testing at BPR, got some good data, now for some changes and upgrades.

 

The cars are 85% complete, and more tesing at BPR will be done.

 

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The F40 is a known product and set-up was straight forward and should perform well.

 

The Mirage could be a sleeper, depends on how well it is developed.

 

The 911 is an experiment that may have an advantage...


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Posted 21 May 2017 - 05:31 PM

Great pole day at Indy. Congrats to Dixon on pole, nice run by Alonso for middle of row 2.

My teams for BPR are lined up!
Team first: Dale and Rick
A Team: Morris and Leo
Team Green: Mike and Mike

Cars built, ready for some testing.

 

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:03 AM

Alonso was having a good run at Indy and the motor (Honda) blew. Sato won, Alonso was at the same pace with Sato, so he had a good chance.

The Scalextric 911 was crap, the F40 Policar and Mirage Avant ran fine.
Building another avant for the spint enduro.

SRC Alfa for the home track events.

 

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Scheduling Updates:

 

First race is August 13 at Eddie's.

Then BPR on September 24.

A couple more races in October and November TBD.


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 10:16 PM

OK some ideas about what sponge tires to use.
The starting point was the Scaleauto hard rubber (soft Wonder). This was what we used as a spec tire at the last race at BPR.
Lap times in the 6.5 second.
I recently did some testing with narrow down JK soft Wonder and treated.
With the Wonder running in the 6.5 but dicey in the turns.
Treated, losta grip in turns, but bogged down the straight.
So chassis tune or tire tuning to get the results you want.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 10:24 PM

First race is August 13th sunday at Eddie's. Outlaws and Ninco roadsters

Then BPR on September 24.

 

I will be at BPR the following days testing for September 24 race.

Mainly trying different tires. Anyone is welcome to try the tires I got on hand to figure out what works.

Aug 6th sunday about 2pm

​Aug 12th sat about 2pm

​Aug 20th sunday about 2pm

​Aug 26th sat about 2pm

and some days in sept - tba


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Posted 08 August 2017 - 06:06 PM

Testing on BPR flat track 8/6. High bite, old glue conditions.

The policar f40 ran the best, good speed and handling. Stock chassis plate, sidewinder, medium spring suspension, jk big hub wonders, slot.it orange endbell motor.

The avant mirage, a bit blog on the straights, handling a little choppy. Stock chassis, soft spring suspension, scaleauto hard tires, piranha motor.

 

Previous test on a dirty low grip track the avant mirage was the better car.

The orange endbell motor, in the f40, has a bit more toque and is better suited for high bite conditions. The policar softer chassis plate and medium springs also worked better on high bite condition. It felt smoother and more forgiving.


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 07:37 PM

August 13th Sunday race at Eddie's

 

Ninco race:

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Ho hum... Eddie once again dominated. A good race for second between Brian, Chris and Kevin. Brian second with Kevin edging out Chris for the podium. New guy Frank Sisto race well giving Mike a run for it in the race.

 

first, Eddie

second, Brian

third, Kevin

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Outlaw race:

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This was a close race between Eddie and Chris. They were back and forth the entire race. We didn't know who was leading till the clock stopped and Eddie was in the donut and Chris was in the bank. So Chris beat Eddie by distance of the front straight. Brian again podium.

 

first, Chris

second, Eddie

third, Brian

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 09:00 PM

Getting ready for BPR on September 24

 

More testing and new cars built. Assemble a NSR Mosler and ran some laps. Molser quick right from the get go. Running laps in the low 6sec in blue lane. Looks like a car that will be a contender. Specs on the build: green hard evo5 chassis and med spring suspension, sidewinder pod, 2.6 gear ratio, JK big hub ppw tires narrowed to 10mm, 73grams.

 

Assembling a second NSR Mosler with similar specs. One car is for the Dale Yamashita/Rick Linn team and car 2 is for the Jim Lane/Gary Baker team.

 

Eddie Shorer/Tim Herrera team also has been getting a NSR Mosler up to speed. So far their ride is looking good.

 

Still massaging the Avant Mirage, trying to get it up to par with the NSR Mosler. The car is quick, nice entry into the turns, but a little lacking on traction out of the corners. Will have to play with the pod and tires. This car will probably be my ride for the race.

 

So far we have five solid teams and couple of maybes. 


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Posted 07 September 2017 - 12:19 PM

My wife has to work that day, leaving me with the 7 year-old. So, who wants him on their team?!


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Posted 08 September 2017 - 08:08 AM

If there is a team with a need of a driver, I'm interested in racing the BPR race...


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Posted 08 September 2017 - 12:21 PM

Craig, you are on my team then!
Or I'll get another car setup for you and you get another driver

 

calculating the number of teams:

Dale/Rick

Jim/Gary

Craig/?

Eddie/Tim

Me/?

Morris/Leo

Kevin/Brian(?)

 

have not heard from Mill?, he has expressed interest

 

so almost a full main!!!  :victory:


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Posted 08 September 2017 - 10:07 PM

Craig, you are on my team then!

 

Sounds like a pretty good plan to me...


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Posted 09 September 2017 - 10:01 PM

Craig, you and Mill are a team. I will prep another Nsr Mosler for you guys.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:20 PM

Looks like a full field of eight teams will be participating:

 

Dale Y/Rick Linn

Jim Lane/Gary Baker

Craig Correia/Mill Conroy

Eddie Shorer/Tim Herrera

Mike Low/Frank Sisto

Morris/Leo

Kevin T/Brian Blanchard

Marco C/Casper

 

 

9/24 Sunday, BPR opens at noon, will start the event at 1:30pm

Track condition as is, track will not be cleaned nor re glued.

$12 entry per driver

 

12 minutes heats, 3 minutes in between

Random lane choice, round robin format

Each driver on each team can drive as much or as little as they want


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Posted 24 September 2017 - 11:18 PM

Buena Park sprint-enduro

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Dale/Rick led from the get go, with Eddie/Tim applying pressure until car issue slow them down.
Craig/Mill slid into second and wroung all the speed out of their car. Marco/Casper had an epic battle with Eddie/Tim for third. Marco dueling it out with Eddie in the last heat, with Marco prevailing by length of the front straight.

Thanks for everyone who participated, BPR, Craig (for race prizes)
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 12:14 AM

MIke, awesome race. Thanks for putting this together, sharing information, helping with the car setup and providing cars to some teams. Great experience, lots of fun with great people. 


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 02:48 PM

Mike, I completely enjoyed the day of racing and hope to be able to do it again.  Yes, I was wore out by the end of the day, (and even today, Monday after) but it was all worth it.  

 

I'd like to express my thanks for preparing the cars for many that did not have their own like me.  Without your generosity there would have been less racers I'm sure.

 

I'd like to also thank Mill for his diligence working on the car to make it better right up to the green flag.  Nice job, we didn't have the fastest car but it sure was consistent.

 

Lastly, I'd like to thank all that attended...We all had a great time!  


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 01:28 PM

Congratulations on a GREAT race Mike!! Looks like BIG FUN!! :)


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 09:16 PM

Seven teams assembled for the “On Any Sunday” sprint-enduro at Buena Park Raceway. A lot to trashing was going on during practice to adapt the cars to the heavy glue conditions, a lot of glue was sprayed on the track earlier on Thursday for the flexi race and we had to deal with this situation.

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Regardless of the conditions there were some fast times showing up in practice, Eddie Shorer posting a5.7 and Rick Linn a 5.6 (more on this later, with a tech analysis on the car setups). Everyone else were having problems with the high bite condition and only getting into the low 6s.

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Seven teams lined up on the grid, but by mob rule, Mike Low was persuaded to run by himself as the eighth entry. The first heat saw Dale/Rick leading the way, but not running away as Eddie/Tim were only two laps behind. Jim/Phil ran into trouble right away after some collisions occurred resulting in body parts jamming the front wheels.

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Heat two was more of the same as Dale/Rick extended their lead on fast black lane. Craig /Mill stepping up the ante and challenging Eddie/Tim for second. Mike move into fourth while Marco/Casper were taking the long way around on red lane. Jim/Phil still having issues trying to restore their car to racing form.

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Heat three saw one of the leaders run into mechanical issues. Eddie/Tim lost valuable laps on fast black lane as the motor detached from the motor pod, they recovered quickly, but Craig /Mill moved into second. At half way Dale/Rick had a 25 lap lead, Eddie/Tim trying to chase down Craig/Mill for second, Marco/Casper battling Mike for fourth, Frank/Chuck in sixth, Weldon /Leo in seventh, Jim/Phil back up to speed but lost too many laps earlier. A shout out to Frank, Weldon and Leo! This is their first time running on the flat track at BPR.

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 09:27 PM

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Moving into heat six saw Mike retire from his attempted ironman drive and recruited Jim/Phil to take over as Jim/Phil‘s car became terminal from the earlier damages. Craig/Mill solidifying their second place as Eddie/Tim moved into the slow lanes and Marco/Casper starting to challenge Eddie/Tim for third as they move into the fast lanes.

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Heat seven saw an epic battle develop between Eddie/Tim and Marco/Casper. Marco, driving, and moving into third while Eddie, driving, taking his turn on long way around red lane. Going into the last heat, Marco and Eddie still driving, but now next to each other on orange and green lanes, fought it out for a podium spot. Eddie charging hard, closing the gap, but time ran out as Marco had the front straight lead over Eddie.

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Technical analysis on car setup:

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The winning car, Dale/Rick’s, and Eddie/Tim’s car were the fast cars in the race. These two cars used a floating pod setup that seem to run fast in the heavy glue conditions. Comparing to Craig/Mill’s car, with spring suspension, the floating pods feel “free” in the turns which translate to high exit speed. Mill dealt with the heavy glue conditions by, narrowing tires, taping the pod, unloading the front wheels. Dale/Rick’s car also ran a 3D printed chassis that was stiffer than NSR’s stiffest green chassis, and the motor pod was a Slot.it pod which is also stiffer that the NSR pods. So by fate, the low bite chassis setup of Dale/Rick’s car was perfect for the heavy glue race conditions.


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 06:27 PM

Mike, quick question: About this Thunder Slot motor from the winner car. Is that out of a car or did you got it separately? Also, did you cut the axle or you bought the one that comes with the axle cut? Thanks! 


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 06:33 PM

I had a interesting race with Casper. We were both first timers at the flat track. He did the outter lanes and I raced the inner ones. As a result, I did only one lap more than him. 427x426. I'm very impressed how close it is. He drives more agressively, I try to stay on the lane. During practing, he was .060 faster than me on hot laps. 

 

By the way, we were using a Slot.it Porsche 956 with a Slot.it 21.5k motor, on a sidewinder pod with the suggested gear ratio of around 2.60 on cutted JP Wonder tires (.740 x 10mm). Independent front wheels and a lot of weight to reach the minimum of 70gr. 


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 06:56 PM

Great race report! I feel like I was actually there!  :-)

Thanks again for everything, Mike. I know you were hoping we would have put our own cars together for the Outlaw class, and some of us did. But your cars were so much BETTER!  

Will there be any more races this season? King Mini Boola Raceway is always ready to host, and now that I know that foam tires work without glue (when treated), we could run them.

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 07:57 PM

Marco,

About this Thunder Slot motor from the winner car. Is that out of a car or did you got it separately?

I purchase them separately from Professor Motor

 

Also, did you cut the axle or you bought the one that comes with the axle cut? 

I used Koford axles, rear. Hollow Slotting Plus axles up front.

 

He did the outter lanes and I raced the inner ones. 

Inner lanes are faster, shorter way around.

 

Eddie,

But your cars were so much BETTER!

Your car was just as fast, but maybe carried too much weight at 83 grams.

(I started to prep cars in May. Trying different setups and cars. And was still working on cars the night before the race.

The winning car was a spare chassis, 3D printed by Amato Slot Car Design, that I put the finishing parts on that evening, as I though some other team would want to race. By hook or crook, it suited the track conditions on race day)

 

Will there be any more races this season?

It was fun event! Maybe, after I get rested.


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 10:38 PM

Mike, I was asking you about the axle on the motor. The armature axle. Professor motor offers two options. One is sized other is "dual shaft". So, did you got the "dual shaft" and cutted it or did you buy the version with the short axle?

 

About the inner/outter lanes, PURPLE and BLACK, in my opinion are the fastest lanes on that track. 

 

thanks again!


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Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:16 AM

Mike, I was asking you about the axle on the motor. The armature axle. Professor motor offers two options. One is sized other is "dual shaft". So, did you got the "dual shaft" and cutted it or did you buy the version with the short axle?

 

I used the short shaft motors


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#33 Amato Chassis Design

Amato Chassis Design

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 03:55 PM

Hi All,

 

I was sent the link to this thread by Mike, and I'm just a bit late with getting on here and posting.

 

Glad the chassis performed well. It seems to have become a good combination, the Mosler with Slot.It pod. Being a much stiffer chassis helps we find on wood circuits. We run Moslers at our club in open GT and the Mosler is the essential tool in any racers pit box over here in the UK.

 

I desgin and 3D print all my own chassis' and recently started listing them on Shapeways.com to let more people further afield access them.

 

Due to the interest the Mosler/Slot.It hybrid has gathered, I've been asked to look at another NSR model, that being the Corvette C7R. I've just completed it and hope to give it a run at our club night tomorrow.

 

Keep on racing !

 

Angelo


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