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#1 Lone Wolf

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:52 AM

Going through some more junk.

 

I found these in these boxes a while back.

 

Do these belong in these boxes? 

 

Motor on left is painted a dark maroonish brown.

 

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:43 PM

Not sure, Joe, but the one on the right doesn't look very Mura like, neither the can nor the arm, and I don't think they ever used balancing like that. 
 
Couldn't say about the one on the left: I've mostly seen earlier Phaze III motors, and not familiar with this generation. Looks much like a Mura of the same generation... 
 
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:03 PM

I would say the dark red motor is a Phaze III. Any that I recall seeing were dark red. They sold Mura-manufactured motors like this (A-can) under their own label, as did others.

I can't identify the silver one.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 08:10 PM

Joe,

 

I'm not able to see the details of the armature for the silver can but I think the balance marks look like a Dyna rewind. Are the wires obscured by the epoxy? If so that would be similar to a Dyna arm I have.


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 04:38 AM

Yep, a closer shot of that arm might help Joe... those are roughly Dyna type balancing marks, but I believe the Dyna's are smoother, and they also mainly used first a white, then a glassy blueish epoxy at the time... 

 

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PS: a shot of a Dyna 16D and a similar Martex motor, from my Martex thread: 

 

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A typical early Dyna 26D arm: 

 

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 05:55 AM

I agree about the Mura/Phaze III "A" motor. I'm not that up on all this stuff, but the silver one doesn't look very "Dyna" or Mura to me. It *might* just be an old motor cobbled together out of what was around.


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 06:16 AM

Of the Dyna armatures I have, the one I think is a Dyna has black epoxy. The one I remember getting direct from Dyna has red epoxy.
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Posted 22 April 2017 - 09:29 AM

I think I have a similar one in my scrap arms box, it's with clear epoxy and very red thin wire, Dynamic type groove balancing. Never ran it, just tried. Got it from the waste of a closing shop.

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Posted 24 April 2017 - 09:52 PM

Okay,

 

Here is my 2 cents worth.

 

1. The Mura 7 litre box contained a first generation Mura 36-D rewind, most likely a can drive motor, but not 100% sure. The can would have been painted a light metallic green. It might have originally been a purple AMT can but I don't know for sure. I had one won on ebay until Scott Bader sniped my bid at the last second a few years ago. It seems he has done that to way too many people on Slotblog,

2. The silver can appears to be a Revell SP-80 16-D can. However the magnet shim facing the camera appears to be a Champion magnet shim that was introduced when they came out with the DZ Arcos during the production of the 517. Unlike Champion's use of a one piece nickel plated "U" shaped shim that was used in later 507's and early 517's, the later 517's featured a 2 piece shim, one that went over the "tops" of the magnets as well as part way down both curved sides of the can and the other one shimmed the "bottoms" of the magnets, then came part way up the sides to meet the other shim. There were 2 different hole patterns in these shims. The one facing the camera definitely has one of the hole patterns, but the one facing the table is hard to determine, but I suspect it will be the correct mate to the DZ set. Sure can't tell what magnets are in it. However, if they are DZ's, one magnet will have 2 yellow dots on one end and the other magnet will have 2 red dots on one end. To my knowledge, this was the first use of painted color dots to identify magnets. Many of us old timers remember the successor to the DZ's and those were the Champion blue dots.

3. Zipper, you might have a Champion 507 arm. It has EVERY correct appearance of being one. I would like to see the arm rotated 180 degrees and another pic taken of it just to verify. I kinda know a little about 507's don't cha think?

 

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Posted 24 April 2017 - 10:11 PM

I just found this pic of Pablo's Emott chassis build going on in another thread. He is using the very DZ magnet shims I was trying to describe in the above post.

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 06:13 AM

Doug, did Champion only package this 2-piece shim with DZ magnets? If so, that would account why I only have one of them, I only own one pair of DZs.. As I recall ,Blue Dots  & White Dots were packaged with a U-shaped  shim & sold with a rubber donut core to hold the magnets in the shim.


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 09:36 AM

Bill, ugh, it's just been too long. I don't remember. If Don Siegel has an old Champion catalog (Don has everything) maybe he could look it up and see.

 

I'm thinking Champion sold the shims separately. They sold EVERYTHING separately!

 

Bill, I'm going to speculate here. I think Champion had a bazillion of the U shaped shims left over after they went to the 2 piece shim and they became a convenient way to hold the magnets together to put them in their packaging machine. Just speculating.


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 06:13 PM

Hey guys, how's it going...?

I concur with the dark reddish brown Mura "A" being a Phase III...and the arm on lower right being Dyna.

 

Bill...Champion did sell the 2 pc. magnet shim set separately.


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 09:36 PM

Hi Tom! Thanks! How have you been?


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 10:47 PM

Wow, I just came across this post.  Come on Tom! More than a year here. Time for another post!  


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