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#1 JK Products

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 06:57 AM

Dear racers and raceway owners,

 

JK Products® (JK) would like to thank the many racers and raceway owners who have supported our involvement in USRA racing in the past. Unfortunately, JK believes that the USRA is now so corrupt that we can no longer support the organization.

 

As of today, we are renouncing the company’s membership In USRA and withdrawing all its products and support. It is acknowledged that this is a very serious action and we hope racers will understand this action is not being taken lightly.

 

The final straw was the national director’s refusal to allow approval of the C43 Aeolos chassis despite the unanimous approval of the scale division director, the scale technical director, the assistant scale technical director, and the majority vote of the product approval committee; the national director remains the only one opposed. We believe his highly selective interpretation of USRA rules is often incorrect and unfairly biased against JK.

 

This action is not taken solely due to the national director’s veto of the C43. JK has worked to try to remedy the situation within the USRA but it quickly became clear that USRA is not being run for the benefit of the racers. Sincere apologies to all racers inconvenienced by what JK views as a necessary action, and for the long term good of the industry.

 

JK Products® remains firmly dedicated to supporting the raceway owners, racers, and the slot car industry, as you will see in the coming weeks, months, and years.  

 

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 07:57 AM

Here in NH, I am Chairman of the House Transportation Committee. Reading the .pdf you posted was fascinating. Those rules are a total mess and impossible to work within. They simply don't work, and worse, contain so many conflicts that you can support almost any position by cherry picking sections. I don't see how the USRA can function until they have someone rewrite them correctly. The committees also have to be restructured. 


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#3 Dan Myers

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 09:19 AM

@smithspeedway. The rules were written, proposed, and approved by the racers.

Now on to Mr. JK Products. I want to personally thank you for making my entire flexi fleet obsolete for USRA competition, the 10 plus built chassis and the five still hanging in bags to be built are now useless, but you got my $25+ a chassis so I guess the money grab was worth it, thanks for your support of this dying hobby.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 09:35 AM

Hi Dan,

 

Where do you currently, or plan to, race under USRA rules?


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 09:41 AM

Was planning on attending the 2018 Nats. Emphasis on was.
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Posted 24 May 2017 - 09:47 AM

So you didn't attend the 2017 Nats, that was six hours away, but you planned to attend the 2018 Nats, on the other side of the country?


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 09:50 AM

The fact is that not all the racers in USRA members can vote on the rules that would directly affect them; only racers/members who attend the Nationals at the time get to vote. 

 

If you propose a rule change and don't attend the Nationals it will not be brought up for a vote. I believe this is the current policy and has been for years.  It's my main reason for leaving the USRA after being a member, off and on, since '87.

 

I believe all racers should have a vote on rules that would directly impact their racing, not only the admin side but the tech side as well. I also do not believe in the "commercial availability" aspect of obsoleting whole programs; that should happen by attrition and technical innovation. Like what happened to several chassis and bodies. 

 

This current situation could bring about the demise of the USRA unless common sense prevails.  


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 09:56 AM

Without innovation we would all be stuck with Champion Turbo-Flex for life. We still have a monthly Turbo-Flex race, largely to remember how much better chassis are now.

 

I've got a box of Hawk motors I'm playing with now where a year ago I had none. Equipment evolves, like controllers and guides. That is and has always been a part of the game.

 

Retro racing has successfully turned back the clock. Yet the designs, even there, are not static.


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#9 Dan Myers

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:06 AM

So you didn't attend the 2017 Nats, that was 6 hours away, but you planned to attend the 2018 Nats, on the other side of the country?

 

Second house is in escrow now, that is why I wasn't able to attend the Nats in Chicago, but my personal finances are none of your business.  

 

My wife told me to go anyway but I chose not to rack up the credit cards, since I have a graduation party to pay for in two weeks also, again none of your business.   


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:34 AM

Dan,
 
How would you remedy the situation the ND invoked?

"May change stock bite bar diameter supplied by the mfg to a bar with a diameter to .062" maximum to .039" minimum diameter. The bar must be steel, straight, round, no bends, no flats and does not deviate from stock."

... To declare the C43 does not comply with the rules, and cannot be approved, despite the assurance that the intent of the rule was not written to apply to the stock production item, by the author of the rule, a long-standing USRA official?

But yet that bite bar rule was ignored when the Mossetti chassis was approved the year before?

The bite bar on the Mossetti is not a bar, but a tube, and one made from brass was originally, and still is approved.

What would you do, if you were Tim, if the rule was enforced against you, but not your competition?

Tube vs Bar - What's the difference?
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Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:38 AM

".... Where do you currently, or plan to, race under USRA rules?"

 
Great general question!  
 
My perception of the USRA rules is that they really only pertain to the Nats as very few state or regional series follow them to the letter. Still... you'd like to think that all of the manufacturers in this hobby could work together under the USRA umbrella.
 
Let me quickly add that I have never raced at a USRA Nats event so perhaps I should have no voice in this conversation. I'm fully aware of my limitations as a slot car racer. I don't need to travel cross-country to be reminded of them. That happens almost every time I race. :D  
 
As an outsider looking in, one gets the feeling that there's a personal story here that perhaps is better left unsaid.
 
But it certainly seems odd to me that the Mossetti former tubing bite bar/retainer and current multi-bend bite bar/retainer would be legal and the JK bite bar/retainer isn't.  
 
Is it really as simple as one sent a chassis to the National Director and the other sent a chassis to the Tech Directors? If that's the case, then everyone needs to set their ego aside and start over.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:39 AM

Having raced USRA years ago and recently coming back into the hobby I am sad to see how the USRA has devolved into the state that it is in.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:45 AM

This is a sad day for the USRA. I think Roger needs to go. First, delisting Cahzoa, because he's not getting his cut and now this comes on, so he is the overseer not the warlord.

 

Or was this his plan from the start to disband the USRA and ISRA be the only game in town??

 

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:47 AM

It's always about the money. Follow it!!


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:47 AM

Sounds like much ado over nothing. The new JK and Mosseetti are both excellent.

 

Keep the rules simple and the cars fast.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 11:22 AM

Dan,
 
How would you remedy the situation where the ND invoked?

"May change stock bite bar diameter supplied by the mfg to a bar with a diameter to .062" maximum to .039" minimum diameter. The bar must be steel, straight, round, no bends, no flats and does not deviate from stock."

... To declare the C43 does not comply with the rules, and cannot be approved, despite the assurance that the intent of the rule was not written to apply to the stock production item, by the author of the rule, a long-standing USRA official?

But yet that bite bar rule was ignored when the Mossetti chassis was approved the year before?

The bite bar on the Mossetti is not a bar, but a tube, and one made from brass was originally, and still is approved.

What would you do, if you were Tim, if the rule was enforced against you, but not your competition?


I can't speak for why the Mosetti was approved or why the brass bar was permitted. But I could make the JK legal in less than five minuets with very little changes to the tooling, and probably no change in the cost to Tim.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 11:30 AM

"Keep the rules simple and the cars fast." - amen.
 
@Dan Meyers - "The rules were written, proposed, and approved by the racers." Yes, and that's a significant problem. I'm not quarreling with the implemented policy, or sticking up for JK. People obviously take this process very seriously. In light of that, the policies should be decided by whomever appropriate (racers or whomever the organization desires), but the actual structure and language of the rules should be written by someone who understands their impact. Having rules written by a solid parliamentarian would eliminate a lot of the conflicts I read about. Bottom line - If you can have a discussion about what a rule actually means, the rule is written wrong. There are procedural conflicts throughout.
 
Examples:
 
"The National Director and/or the Rules Committee will clarify any rule that is in question or is being interpreted improperly." - What happens if they disagree?

"The Board of Directors may create certain committees by appointment that will have specific prescribed authority in the management of the Association." - Do the racers want the committee to exist or not? There should be standing committees. Provisional committees for outside the box issues can be provided for.
 
There are also provisions where the National Director has final say over technical decisions that were not voted on, but the Tech Director also has final say. These two provisions can not coexist. If there is a conflict, what is the resolution process?
 
My point is that the convoluted structure of the rules invites conflict where none is necessary. The language makes it possible for there to be good faith disagreements as to the intent of the rules.
 
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Posted 24 May 2017 - 11:30 AM

Dan,

 

I think you meant brass tube.

Regardless, why should Tim spend more money to make a chassis legal for one race a year, when the competition's product clearly does not comply?


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 11:42 AM

It's always about the money. Follow it!!


Gotta be them pesky Russians.  :laugh2:


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 11:52 AM

Here's my opinion.

 

The racers should not run the asylum. 

 

Why?

 

Racers invariably vote to promote their personal agendas, i.e to benefit themselves and their racing activities. They don't, as a rule, vote to benefit the overall hobby/activity itself.

 

This is the 'fatal flaw' in the USRA structure.

 

As the USRA is currently constituted, i.e. 'mob rule,' there is zero focus and direction. Nor can there be in the current environment.

 

Of all the hobbies I've examined (and it is many, many hobbies, some involving competition and some not,) model car racing is clearly the least altruistic, in terms of having some percentage of the participants who wish to see it prosper and survive over time.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 11:53 AM

Or was this his plan from the start to disband the USRA and ISRA and be the only game in town??

 
If so then he is doing a heck of a job! :dash2:
 
Cheers,


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 12:02 PM

:laugh2:

 

So, where are the pieces of a chassis defined? (A bite bar, for instance).

 

And just what does a "bite bar" have to do with something whose function is to hold the pieces of the chassis together?

 

And, for that matter, just where is the method of connecting the pieces of a chassis together defined?


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 12:14 PM

Good post, Jim.

It was brought up by myself, and others, how is the cotter pin still legal on a Champion Turbo-Flex? It's certainly not straight to begin with, and when bent more, it keeps the chassis together, just like the curved/bent section of the JK bar.

And Steve Smith's posts are terrific.

What is the point of the technical directors making rulings if the ND can overrule them?

"You can make a ruling, as long as I agree with it." LOL.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 12:22 PM

Dan,
 

Sorry to hear you invested so in X25s. The Mosetti and the cC3 are and will obsolete the X25 and that is the natural procession of this hobby and always has been.

 

Side note the C43 is a tick faster.


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 12:25 PM

Actually the functional part of the C43 bar is a straight length of steel wire (just like the rules call for).

 

The bends on the end serves no function other than keeping the bar part in place.

 

Just figured I would state the obvious.


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