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#51 Samiam

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 07:53 AM

Wherever there is controversy in slot car racing there is a common stone in the cog. A thorn in the side. A fly in the soup.

 

Or as one blogger phrased it: a cancer.

 

Until this cancer is cut out of this hobby we cannot heal.

 

Whether it's surgery, radiation, or holistic, the tumor must go.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 10:53 AM

Since this was deleted from OWH I will post on here also:
 
This is Roger and his Henchman trying to outlaw JK products so their Mossetti parts will be the dominate chassis on the market. If the Mossetti chassis is so good then why didn't it win anything at the ISRA? Just like at the USRA Nationals at the National Dictators place – when the Mossetti chassis won their pictures were posted all over the place asking for everyone to stroke them, but when the outnumbered JK C21 won in LMP there are no pictures whatsoever. Seem funny that this happened, but then I expected it from him.
 
Just because this manufacturer wouldn't give hundreds of dollars worth of free product to this shop, so they could sell at 100% profit. I am sure that no other slot car shop in the country, just because they are having a national race, asks for hundreds of dollars worth of free product they can sell. Yeah, I can see discounted a little more, but not 100%. This is true robbery on the part of the track owner.
 
Everyone has got to wake up and see what is going on, but there are other people that support the National Dictator that are not out for the benefit of the hobby, but out for their own best interest. Which is the demise of USRA and then placing their own biased organization slanted at getting the racers to spend more money each and every month.


Like I said, Jeff, follow the money, follow the dollars!!!


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 11:03 AM

At this point in time, given recent events, I felt it important to state the position of the Ohio Challenge Cup relative to national controversy.

 

As is well known, the OCC has positioned itself for the past eight years as an inexpensive local alternative to the USRA and ISRA. In this mission, we have concentrated on keeping our rules as simple as possible and as stable as possible in order to encourage years to year participation. At the same time, we have been welcoming of new products and manufacturers with both the racer and track owner's bottom line in mind. I, as do the other members of the OCC Board, feel we have been successful to these ends while remaining always mindful of areas for growth and improvement.

In seeing the unhappiness and lack of compromise exhibited within the USRA, an historic organization which for years united the sport and crowned the National Champion, it feels painful to watch its core tenets be discarded over - on the surface - less than $2 worth of piano wire.

 

We in the Ohio Challenge Cup will continue to do as we always have done, reviewing and approving components with the best interests of the racers and track owners in mind.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 11:51 AM

Stamped Steel Chassis Regulations

 

1. Chassis

 

u) On the Mossetti  1001, 1003, 1006 chassis...must use either .062" dia. brass tube or the M-1052 .064 stainless tube only. Must use push/body pins to retain the bar in the chassis.

 

So if the rule says it's a bar why are we calling it something else and why can't a rule, lets call it line v) read as such;

 

v) On the JK C43 chassis only the bite bars included with the chassis and those in the accessory bite bar packet are legal.

 

I know, it makes too much sense.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 01:08 PM

You're trying to apply logic to slot car drama.
 
Though your quoting of line "u" further illustrates what many have mentioned and complained about... it's another example of the USRA rules lacking consistency. Line "u" refers to it as both a "tube" and a "bar."
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Posted 25 May 2017 - 02:31 PM

From the OP: "JK has worked to try to remedy the situation within the USRA."
 
The USRA rules are not the issue.
It's obvious that working out a solution that doesn't involve withdrawal or resignations is quite possible.
 
I think a Trump- :diablo: Bannon :diablo: comparison is not inappropriate here, considering who is involved.  :laugh2: 
 
It seems compromise is not in the playbook.
 
Whether this situation has to do with revenge, money, or power, the bottom line is the agenda of those involved and whether they're willing to work with opponents to get things sorted.

Not so much, obviously.

We've been sticking a fork in both divisions of the USRA for quite a while now, to see if they're done.
Looks as if the Scale division is ready.
 
It will be interesting to see what transpires in the future with the USRA and whether there was any sort of plan behind this mayhem.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 03:42 PM

I would like to thank all the current scale (Division 2) directors for their honesty and hard work trying to improve the USRA for everyone. Unfortunately, their efforts have been repeatedly blocked on many levels by Roger Schmitt, the current National Director and by virtually all accounts, his unelected associate Ron Hershman. Hershman was regularly and directly involved in the USRA's private board of director’s discussions. This is the very same person that was expelled from the IRRA® board of directors.

 

This corrupt leadership situation resulted in JK Products® withdrawing from the USRA, and now every current and incoming scale director has resigned in protest against the manner in which the USRA has been and still is being run.  

 

Current 2016 Scale Officers

Division Director, Matt Bruce – resigned

Technical Director, Jason Hooper – resigned

Assistant Technical Director, Jon Madtes – resigned

 

Incoming 2017 Scale Officers

Division Director, Rob Voska – resigned

Technical Director, Jon Madtes – resigned

Assistant Technical Director, Jonathan Forsyth – resigned

 

These are some of the finest people in the hobby/sport.

 

After speaking with many of them, the primary source of their frustration was directed at the national director Roger Schmitt and the unelected Ron Hershman.

 

It appears to me that scale racing in some ways needs a reboot and a new way forward.

 

(I tried to post the same in OWH but my account is being blocked until approved by a moderator.)


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 03:53 PM

I took care of that for you, Tim, and copied your post to OWH. Lets see if it stays!


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 04:03 PM

Like I wrote on the other site, technically speaking the J-bars on the C43 chassis are not bite bars; they are retainers. The USRA defines a bite bar as a straight wire with no flats and no bends. The J-bars have bends, therefore, they are retainers and you can tell they are retainers because they hook around a chassis stop so they can "retain" their position. 


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 04:04 PM

There is a way to fix everyone's problems: race Retro!   :)


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 04:15 PM

That is and isn't a solution, Will. As delightful as Retro cars are, here's some folks they leave out...

 

Racers who prefer to build motors.

Racers who prefer a modern race car aesthetic

Racers who don't enjoy chassis building

Racers who like the way a high-downforce car behaves

Racers who enjoy the durability of EDM chassis

 

Retro is fantastic. Retro F1s remain one of my all-time favorite car types. However, an IRRA® Can-Am car is not a substitute for a GT12 and what has happened here is that those who enjoy LMP, Group 10, 4.5" NASCAR, GTP, GT12, and Eurosport have been robbed of a functioning sanctioning body. 


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 04:42 PM

I definitely understand, Justin.

Would/could ISRA fill that void?


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 04:55 PM

If a new org is put together by the resigning officers, I would highly recommend trademarking the name. Just sayin'.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 04:55 PM

I do believe that ISRA could fill that void to an extent, particularly at the faster end of things as ISRA's "baseline" class - Production 24 - uses a sealed hand-out Group 12 motor in Flexi chassis beneath a specified DTM style body (currently I believe the Attan Alfa Romeo Giulia). GT12 and Eurosport rules are thoroughly compatible, with the exception that USRA had recently barred Cahoza components.
 
However, there are not classes in ISRA that are analogous to the slower end of competition, such as LMP or Group 10. Further, ISRA, being a worldwide organization, is not as invested in whether or not there is active racing outside of the Worlds taking place within the USA.
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Posted 25 May 2017 - 08:30 PM

Justin... You've posted about OCC, Retro racing, and now ISRA on a thread for the latest USRA issues???
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:17 AM

I've posted the Ohio Challenge Cup's official statement regarding the controversy, which is a statement from the entire board of the series given that the choices the USRA makes directly effect manufacturer and racer decisions, and as such - particularly in Group 10 - the choices the USRA makes directly effect the Ohio Challenge Cup especially as we have been making efforts to bring our own rulebook more in line with USRA and ISRA in terms of chassis rulings. I certainly feel it's the responsibility of a related organization to make their stance as thoroughly transparent as can be.

 

The Retro and ISRA posts were direct responses to statements regarding - in essence - the relevance of the USRA. In my own feeling, there are few organizations with more relevance to the local racer than the USRA. Its legacy to both racing and to the manufacturers is palpable. On a personal level, I grew up with the USRA as the big show. Racing Group 10 Junior in the early '90s, I knew that there were weekends where Dad was going to Mineral Ridge or Tom Thumb or the Parma Challenge Cup or the Blue King Blowout to race against the absolute best. To race against the factory guys. Those four letters, to a youngster with a pink endbell Turboflex wearing a PSE W66 wedge, meant the best racers in the country.

 

It isn't so simple to replace or discard such a legacy. Just as importantly, a rising tide floats all boats. A vibrant USRA means vibrant scale racing at the regional and local level as well. 


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:42 AM

For the Wing type racers you can race in the F2000 series.
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:59 AM

Great Lakes ISRA, Flat track racing, it's been around since 2007.
 
JRL... Indy or F1 body on a lazar cut spring steel frame with C-can and either S-Wasp or Contender arm.
 
JRL Light... same but with FK motor.
 
B Production.... any stamped steel chassis, closed cockpit GT body with C-can and either S-Wasp or contender arm.
 
B Production Light... same but with FK motor.
 
Open 12... any chassis, open cockpit LMP body with C-can and X12 arm.
 
ES24... Same as USRA or ISRA, anything goes, cobalt motors with spec LMP body.
 
We also have run A Production which is stamped chassis with C-can and X12 arm and spec body.
 
Cahoza and BOW stuff legal, too!!!
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 09:07 AM

KVP,

You may have a different opinion, but from my perspective having seven different classes, with minor difference between some of them, is not a positive.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 09:40 AM

Greg,

It's four classes. Start at 9:30 and done by 4-5 PM. 

The light class is to let beginners get involved at a little lower cost and they are run together.  I still often run and sometimes win with my JRL from 2008. Not bad for a nine-year old well used $60 chassis... Still running a few BOW arms. 

2016-17 was our best attended season in a long time. Great friendly group of guys to run with that all get better every race. Seems if you want to race a competitive series it's a great midwest series to run.
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 10:53 AM

Sorry, I could have been more descriptive.
 
Four races in a day with half-hour practice between classes, an hour lunch break, and home soon enough to have a date night with the wife. :good:
 
We only recently offered the "Light" version in two classes to spur new growth and give racers the option to run sealed motors. Just trying to appeal to a broader range.
 
An open wheel class, a stamped chassis class, an EDM-X12 class and a Eurosport class, that is a pretty diverse lineup if you ask me. All requiring good setup and driving skills, no monster HP needed.  :sun_bespectacled:
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 11:40 AM

JRL...

JRL Light... same but with FK motor.
 
B Production....

B Production Light...

Open 12...

ES24...

A Production...


Perhaps I will be forgiven for not seeing this scheme as just four classes.
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 12:51 PM

Of course you are forgiven, Greg, after all it is your sandbox! :heart:
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 01:13 PM

I have several sandboxes here at the house, and you probably know what my two cats do in them... LOL!

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 01:14 PM

I think the USRA is needed and can be saved with the right people if Roger is gone.

Those that chose to resign will return and do the great job they were trying to do.
 
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 01:18 PM

I have several sandboxes here at the house, and you probably know what my two cats do in them... LOL!

 

They poop in them, then cover it up.


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 01:40 PM

Unfortunately, not aways.

 

My cats are nearly 20 years old... and I hope they don't live to 30.


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 01:48 PM

Well, here the ND did a BM on the USRA. :)

 

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 06:20 PM

Great Lakes ISRA, Flat track racing, it's been around since 2007.
 
JRL... Indy or F1 body on a lazar cut spring steel frame with C-can and either S-Wasp or Contender arm.
 
JRL Light... same but with FK motor.
 
B Production.... any stamped steel chassis, closed cockpit GT body with C-can and either S-Wasp or contender arm.
 
B Production Light... same but with FK motor.
 
Open 12... any chassis, open cockpit LMP body with C-can and X12 arm.
 
ES24... Same as USRA or ISRA, anything goes, cobalt motors with spec LMP body.
 
We also have run A Production which is stamped chassis with C-can and X12 arm and spec body.
 
Cahoza and BOW stuff legal, too!!!

 
Kevin - I agree we need to look at other series and make rules that make sense to the local area. But here is the major problem - continually giving money to the person who is trying to destroy slot car racing. That is all Roger is trying to do and by the local racers going in there and spending money and having races in there you are showing him that he is right in his decisions.  Plain and simple.
 
I love the hard body series and Brian has done a remarkable job growing a series, but by going in there and having a race you are telling Roger and the Henchman that what he is doing to the USRA is right.  And it isn't right at all.


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 10:28 PM

Jeff, thanks for the moral compass, but at 60 years of age I believe I'm a pretty good judge in the company I choose to keep.

 

Our series is a flat track only series, and races at two locations, Chicagoland Raceway and Mid-America. Neither raceway controls our rule set, and all this BS that has flared up recently has little impact on us other than getting some people's underwear bunched, possibly impacting our attendance. 

 

I think we can all agree, that this could have been handled better by all involved. 

 

Is this bite bar thing a deal breaker for the JK chassis? Probably not. Should it have been allowed? Probably.

 

Thing is, the rule says it must be straight, so is Roger really wrong?

 

Rules are rules. We can't pick and choose the ones we want to enforce, and that has been the platform of the officers that have resigned over this. That's great, let's follow the rules to the T then. The tech director did just that at the recent USRA Nats at Mid-America when he bounced me from the tech line in ES32. The infraction that got me the boot? The bottom .032" of my sticker front wheels were trimmed flat. Really, the sticker front wheel?  :dash2:

 

In my opinion that was utterly ridiculous, but a stance he took. Now we are suppose to give JK a wink and a nod over the bite bar? A couple years ago, we didn't give PMP a wink and a nod when their chassis was a few thousandths too wide.

 

Love them or hate them, both Roger and Ron have done more for the hobby of slot car racing than hundreds of us put together. Are they perfect, not for me to judge. Are they trying to destroy slot car racing? I highly doubt that, both make their living off it. Are they out for financial gain? It's their business, of course they are.

 

IMO, the sky is not falling and everyone needs to chill out and talk to each other like adults. If we do as you suggest Jeff, and stop patronizing our raceways, we will have no place to race. That sure will teach him a lesson! :dash2:


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 12:01 PM

The real question here is that if accommodations were made for the Mossetti chassis, because it used a unique way of joining the pan and center section of the chassis, due to changing technology, then why can't accommodations be made for the J-bar retainers on the C43 because of its new and unique technology? The evolution of pan/center section joining systems has changed drastically over the years and as this has happened the rules have changed, as they should now. 

No one is helping the hobby by creating such an uproar over a stupid piece of wire. Write an addendum to the rule, if it'll make you feel better, and let's get on with it. 

It's apparent that very few people agree with not allowing the C43 in the USRA. Doesn't that say something about the actions taken so far?
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Posted 27 May 2017 - 03:56 PM

At some point technology must move on but in many cases that move is prevented by restrictive rules. The light bulb did not come about by the continuous improvement of the candle.


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 05:01 PM

Thank you, Kevin, for a post based on fact, not emotion.



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Posted 27 May 2017 - 05:46 PM

Love them or hate them, both Roger and Ron have done more for the hobby of slot car racing than hundreds of us put together.

 
This is 100% an emotional statement.
 
I can state this as an absolute fact... I have never sold cheater motors that eroded the confidence in sealed motor racing. So I feel I have done more for slots than Ron.
 
As I have said before, Ron ruins everything.(Not you Zippity)


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 07:08 PM

Boy, some people sure do like to hear themselves talk...


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 07:13 PM

Tim... Seeing that everyone has quit with the exception of Roger. Have you contacted Roger to see what can be done to solve the problem and make your chassis legal? I understand that USRA is only one race a year (that I know of), so the income from that series is rather small compared to other flexi series. But I know JK had a "ISRA" approved chassis, why not the same for the USRA? Find out what the real issues is, package a car that's USRA approved, no different than is done for the ISRA approved chassis as an example?
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Posted 27 May 2017 - 07:19 PM

Terry,

You ain't kidding.

USRA Response to JK-Products Questions and Comments Posted Online May 24, 2017
 
Everyone who knows the writing style recognizes the real author.
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Posted 27 May 2017 - 07:34 PM

Lets make sure things stay civil here, please.

So far, it has...

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 08:31 PM

Wow, Sam, to sit here and speculate as to who the author of an email post is a little far fetched don't you think?
 
KVP's post said it best as far as I'm concerned.
 
OK, what if the ND gets booted or steps down? Who is going to take his place? Anyone, anyone, hello....(hear crickets chirping).
 
As far as the people that resigned goes, Matt and Jason's tenure would still be ending June 1, 2017, if they hadn't resigned.
 
Jon would still have one year left if he decided to come back.
 
What about Rob and Jonathon, will they change their minds and come back?  Only they can answer that.
 
And as far as the threat to lock it down, Greg, you mine as well go ahead and do it. You lock everything else down, it's your sandbox, you have all the power.
 
In the end, none of this really matters. People will live, people will suffer, people will die. The sun will continue to shine but will anyone bother to stop and smell the roses?
 
Sad, sad, sad...
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Posted 27 May 2017 - 08:43 PM

Wow, Sam, to sit here and speculate as to who the author of an email post is a little far-fetched, don't you think?


Nope.


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 09:07 PM

I agree with Sam - no, it isn't.
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Posted 27 May 2017 - 09:38 PM

Last thing I'm going to say about this so feel free to flame away!
 
Sam and Jeff, are either of you even USRA members?
 
Jeff - You have an agenda here don't you? Why yes, of course you do... Mr. JK factory pro racer!!!
 
Have a good evening all.
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Posted 27 May 2017 - 10:18 PM

Time to lock this thread.
 
It has become boring...
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Posted 28 May 2017 - 03:20 AM

I think KVP said it the best.

But everyone has the answer but when they call for people to run for office you get no one.

Everyone know I will be the first one to tell the ND to F off. But one this one I see both sides. They way I feel with rules is the USRA should classify cars by type but not by design. And the USRA should not tell you how to make a flexi car but just enforce how it was submitted.

But the problem is the current rule implies how a chassis should be made even though it was not how it was intended. I think the chassis should be legal. But I am not sure the JK cure was the best way to do this. But so people know this is not the first time this happened. It is just one of the first time it was out in the open for everyone to see.

Just remember if the USRA goes away or products become unrestricted prices will go up. Look at Cahoza. Now that they are not regulated the UL can is now $39. Will all arms be $100. I mean they cost about the same thing to make. I face the 16D cost the most of all the arms.

The USRA is more then one race a year, it is a foundation for all rules to be based on. The USRA has been going in the wrong direction for a long time. It is time for a revamp. And the offices need checks and balances. I hope the USRA does not go away. But I am also glad I was not voted in as scale director. I would not want to deal with this mess

I feel the chassis needs to be brought up to vote and the rules need to be changed.
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Posted 28 May 2017 - 04:58 AM

How long before Mike is accused of not having written that post himself? :(
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Posted 28 May 2017 - 05:57 AM

And as far as the threat to lock it down, Greg, you mine as well go ahead and do it. You lock everything else down...


Terry, how about about telling me just where I threatened to "lock it down"?

As since most people can count, they will know how silly is your claim that I "lock everything else down."
 

Jeff - You have an agenda here, don't you?


And of course, Terry, you don't have any agenda at all, right? Now that's funny and sad at the same time...

The larger problem is that in the USRA scheme, everyone has an agenda, usually a personal one but sometimes a financial, profit-based agenda, as many alledge is the case with the ND's JK chassis decision which was clearly at odds with the opinions of numerous elected USRA Scale officials and seemingly many of the USRA members, too.


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 07:01 AM

Sam and Jeff, are either of you even USRA members?
 
Jeff - You have an agenda here don't you? Why yes, of course you do... Mr. JK factory pro racer!!!

 
You're right, I am not a member and I refuse to become a member of an organization that I will be actually benefit from for one race per year.  I went to the Nationals this year and was going to become a member and race in one class, but when the "morning" race became the afternoon race, and the "afternoon" race became the evening race, I packed up and went home. When you put out a schedule - you stick to it, yet I understand there may be reasons to change it, but "just because" isn't a reason and that is what we got.
 
I would run to be one of the officers, but my job doesn't allow me to have massive amounts of time off to travel for weeks to attend so I couldn't do that. Plus no one would enjoy getting told to "F" off because none of you all pay my bills or write my paycheck.
 
Yes, I support JK products and I have for years because JK supports fair and competitive racing throughout the world, not just to certain people. I don't get special equipment from them, I buy my stuff from my local track and will continue to support PJ.

 

JK Products, whether Tim or Jerry, has done more for slot cars then the majority of companies combined. They are always trying to come out with the latest and greatest chassis and motors (quality) - they are innovative. And yes, maybe at times it bites them, but what other manufacturer have you seen that is a full line manufacturer?

 

JK has so many new things on the drawing board that will be coming out to help the entry level racing for slot cars. That is what this hobby needs.


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 08:23 AM

JK Products "Pro" identified people are contributors, not sponsored races as other manufacturers do. We do not pay any racers to use our products, whether with cash or free products. We do not sponsor racers as a policy.

 

The people we have identified as JK Pro's are those that help us technically with development, testing, new product ideas or improvements, or general input into the slot car world. As I am new to the industry, I value the input and efforts of the people that help make JK Products better. If you consider a nice shirt as payment, then I suppose they are paid, but they do not get ongoing free products or support. The shirt is simply my way of giving them some recognition and saying "thanks."  


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 08:44 AM

Still waiting for the constructive, and specific bylaw changes that fix the issues raised. I can think of a bunch. This does seem like it has become a simple USRA bashing session with little or no interest in finding a solution. September is not that far away. Work should begin now.

 

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 09:00 AM

Steve,

 

Most of the USRA racers to whom I have spoken don't believe the USRA can be repaired. It would take consensus among the members of the six-person USRA BoD and that's almost certainly never going to occur.


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