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#1 Danny Zona

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 11:23 AM

I believe it would be a great thing to convert over. Eventually of course. IMO.

Just wondering about other racers opinions?

Doesn't really matter to me either way. As long as FL has up to date rules is what really matters to me.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 11:37 AM

I would participate in Florida Flexi racing if Florida used those rule sets. With the current rules I do not participate, only time I do is at P1 raceway with Marcos cars lol.


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 11:38 AM

Another thing about the FNRS rules is I believe most manufacturers like this series.

From my understanding.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 12:42 PM

I do not like spec manufacturers classes.  (currently Indy and LMP)  I hate sitout racing...I hate not qualifying.

 

If we can thrash all the most up to date parts available it is much more fun, and faster!

 

FNRS at Fast Eddie's in November - I will be there - I vote with car entries...


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 01:32 PM

The GRRR series uses IRRA rules which is used across the nation.

It is working great!
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 01:35 PM

Why not let the racers choose what gear ratios they want to run? That's part of the challenge and also part of the fun.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 02:29 PM

I believe it would be a great thing to convert over. Eventually of course. IMO.

Just wondering about other racers opinions?

Doesn't really matter to me either way. As long as FL has up to date rules is what really matters to me.

 

I didn't study the FNRS rules in detail, but I like most of what I saw.

 

You know I like my cars to be "pretty" so I have a personal preference to seeing front and rear bumpers on my NASCAR.  That's just me.

 

Like I said in the other thread ..... give Jay and the other guys on the BOD a chance to get Florida caught up. :)

 

 

 

I do not like spec manufacturers classes.  (currently Indy and LMP)  I hate sitout racing...I hate not qualifying.

 

If we can thrash all the most up to date parts available it is much more fun, and faster!

 

FNRS at Fast Eddie's in November - I will be there - I vote with car entries...

 

I don't like Sit-Out racing for the Main either. But racers more than track owners wanted to do away with qualifying to shorten the day.  I'm a lousy qualifier, but I think it should be part of an "event."

 

 

 

I missed hitting the "multi-quote" button on Kevin's post ...

 

 

I was surprised to see a spec pinion size.  I don't like or dislike that rule.  Just surprised to see it in a rule set that has a lot of freedom in other areas.


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 02:40 PM

I would say most all the racers are using the same pinion on race day.

The ones who don't are usually off pace.

IMO.

Now built motor style racing I wouldn't like it. I build my motors purposely to run different pinions then the norm.

Sealed FK style motors are clones.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 03:23 PM

Gearing changes from track to track.A 10T pinion is ridiculous when using an FK motor on a track over 100'.

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 03:33 PM

Production LMP runs a 10 tooth pinion because it's geared to the newer racer.

Speed wise they are only a tenth slower then Nascar which runs a 13 pinion.

You can also change spur gears and tire sizes so there is still some tuning that can be done.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 05:09 PM

In my opinion even though a spec pinion does take a little bit of tuning out of the hands of the racer, at the same time I feel it significantly reduces the amount of time it will take to tune your car on race day.  As Ralph said there are still quite a few tuning options available and there can also be a case made for the spec pinion leveling the playing field.  Bottom line is I think a spec pinion is a great idea, and one that will reduce impediments to participation, that is ultimately increase the number of racers.  


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:39 PM

Amigos,

 

The 10/36 gearing was introduce a few years back in the Ohio Challenge Cup 2014 circa. The cars were spec out for a Ready To Run car which is provided by JK Products for anyone who was new and wanted to race BAM! The retail shop had one to sell. The Retro Hawks with the spec gearing are sleepers or a wolf in sheep's wool. A fun fast class. It is the most popular class in the OCC. The GTP Pro Slot FK  which was introduce back also in 2014 only difference that in the OCC has that as a open gearing in that class for those who want to experiment. No matter what rule set you follow you have a good time running with these stamp steel chassis. Remember to have FUN! and Party On!

 

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 07:47 AM

My prediction is that a 10 tooth pinion on LMP will be to slow to fall off. There's no way to tell if it's going to be a.10 slower than NASCAR since NASCAR will more than likely be ran on the oval in Nov.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 07:48 AM

However why would anyone care what pinion we have to use because we all have to use the same?
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 08:43 AM

My prediction is that a 10 tooth pinion on LMP will be to slow to fall off. There's no way to tell if it's going to be a.10 slower than NASCAR since NASCAR will more than likely be ran on the oval in Nov.

 

All Classes should be run on the Hillclimb In my opinion especially in a National Event. I wouldn't want to travel to race a class on a oval, just me though.

Plus i think the oval will need to be disassembled for pit space...?


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 08:54 AM

We will see how the GTP pinion rule works on a FLAT track at the Race of Champions in July.......


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 09:27 AM

However why would anyone care what pinion we have to use because we all have to use the same?

I concour.

Even without a spec pinion most racers usually end up running the same pinion anyway.

The racers who don't are usually off pace.
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:59 AM

I agree with you Jeff. We barely had enough pit spots for the last combo race.
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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:41 AM

My competitive spirit would like nascar on the hill climb.

I do like the factor of two tracks when there is a big race though.

It sure makes it easier for everyone to test.

Even though some prefer one over the other. What a great problem to have. Two tracks to pick from. Better than none.
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Posted 18 June 2017 - 04:25 PM

Oval racing is 100% better then looking at my cars in the closet because the track is closed.
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Posted 18 June 2017 - 04:45 PM

Oval racing is 100% better then looking at my cars in the closet because the track is closed.

 

 

Amen!!


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:20 AM

Another great thing I like about this series is when a chassi is deemed legal it is truly legal. When a racer shows up to a race there is no problem like the last race at Fast Eddies.

In the FL flexi series the defender was deemed legal by the tech director 9 days before a race. Then on race day the tech director believes it shouldn't be legal.

It could of easily been avoided with simply looking at the defender chassi and said not legal before the day of the race.
Deemed legal on June 1st and the race was on June 10th.

I honestly don't know how easier it could be but I'm sure there is some logical reason.

Hopefully this is a learning lesson for all involved.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:06 AM

Danny ..... love you like a brother ..... but let's turn the page.

 

Nobody was turned away from racing the Defender in June.  In fact, one was used in the May race also.  Charlie even got to use his limited-run, sexy, red anodized aluminum pans.

 

Doc correctly quoted the current - admittedly obsolete - rule of 3.25". No different than if someone presented a wing car body with wings that were too tall.  Shoot ...I think Doc has more Mossetti chassis than anything else in his box so it's not a pro-JK thing.  Just another passionate racer with an engineer's brain correctly quoting the rule at the time.  That, once educated, everyone admitted is/was obsolete.

 

Yes, the 3.25" to 83mm change should have been made a year or two ago ..... but until June 10th, not a single soul had raised this topic.  Not once. Once raised, I'm pretty sure the BOD is (or has) addressed it.  It's kind of like having a burned out brake light .... until someone tells you, you don't know.

 

Now ..... get to work getting some bumpers put on those NASCARs.  :)


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:38 AM

Production LMP runs a 10 tooth pinion because it's geared to the newer racer.


Here's the race results from a recent event.

http://slotblog.net/...-2-3-canton-oh/

LMP "Geared to the newer racer."
It doesn't look like the newer racers were very competitive that day.

If the class was really for newer racers it would run plain C21 chassis like the ready to run cars come with instead of light, aluminum panned cars. I think a true beginner class would be great for getting newer racers involved but this doesn't appear to happen in this series.
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:55 AM

I think to make the rules more stable, major components like chassis and motors when deemed legal should have a period of 3 months so people can prepare to purchase them, setup and test. It keeps the racer from having to go crazy looking for that new "golden egg" to be competitive.


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