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#1 Wizard16

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 09:46 PM

It appears the majority of the fast drivers use a motor other than a RH on the flat track. Either a Falcon 7(?) or a TSR D3. Are those two motors more suited to the flat track because of particular performance characteristics? Torque, brakes?


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#2 Tim Wilkins

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 10:35 PM

The TSR D3 motor has more low end torque and brakes versus the Falcon 7's slightly better top end speed. If you're coming to the Classic, the TSR seems to be the preferred motor in the F1 flat track race maybe geared 9/29 and the Falcon 7s are used more often in the anglewinder Coupe race... or just copy whatever Duran is running since he won both of this year's Checkpoint Cup races with RH motors.   :) 


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 10:45 PM

Diana,

 

Probably not a qualified answer, but I"ll try. They simply seem more conducive to the BPR FT, meaning the TSR. More reliable, very good brakes and punch when geared right. They just work in that situation. The F7 was just as good, when you can find them. The RH, on the other hand, seem to be OK, just not as consistent as the TSR. Others may chime in with their opinions.

 

When I say the RH's weren't as consistent as the TSR, this is just my findings.

 

Hope this helps. Coming to the SWC?


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 11:04 PM

In truth most of us that have been racing this for a while have a pile of TSRs on or around the workbench from the hand-out days. I must have 25 plus and 18 or more F7s that collect dust in the bag, LOL  

 

It's just like any track, run what makes you happy. Bryan ran the R/H 9/29, I ran the TSR and F7 8/27-28, Duran uses a 7 whatever on everything.  

 

Like I said, all over the board!  

 

Hope to see you next month. Oh yeah, anglewinder 12/42 72p R/H.

 

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 01:28 PM

I'll be there. I'm just looking for the logic behind the choices. My driving skills need all the help they can get.

 

At the Checkpoint, Tracy helped me with adjusting my controller. The RHs I had seemed to be on-off switches. I don't have the luxury of testing lots of motors while at BPR. I have found out testing cars/motors at PA's bears no resemblance to how they'll work at BPR.


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 02:51 PM

Diana,

 

If you want something soft easy to drive use a TSR; 8/27 would be good for F1 but for AW F7 or RH is the way to go 12/42 72p smooth.

 

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 03:20 PM

Agree with Jason on these points. Looking at the last two A/W races, the majority ran RHs. Normally the TSRs are the go-to motor on the Flat track in Can-Am/F1. A/Ws seems to be RHs.


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 06:16 PM

It's true that the TSR motor is easier to drive most times in F-1 and Can Am--but I've seen races won with the Retro Hawk as well.  It's more about handling and getting the car setup perfect so you can drive it like you stole it!!! Duran wins with RH's geared with  a 7 tooth pinion! I run a 9 on my TSR and 8's on my RH's.  You're driving and handling will be far more important than worrying about the motor on the Flat Track.  FWIW


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 03:45 PM

Question? about using a Trinity Evil 9 motor for SCRRA flat track races. Looks almost like TSR or Falcon 7. Are these legal. I have a new one. Thanks TIM Wood



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 04:12 PM

 I must have 25 plus and 18 or more F7s that collect dust in the bag, LOL  

 

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Sounds like you need a new bag.......


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 04:21 PM

What I'm interested in is (once again) the TSR-D3 on its way out?  ( Mr. P... weigh in)  I've asked this before.  No harm is asking again.   If the TSR is SO good ( it is !) on BP's flat track,  why don't I see other tracks trying them out.  Update me... thanks


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 04:50 PM

Tim--Evil 9's and Trinity motors have a hotter wind!! Not legal for any Retro racing!  FYI


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 04:58 PM

Who knows if the "Demon" motor also has a hotter wind?

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 05:37 PM

The Demon and Evil 9 are the same motor.

 

And neither is, has or ever will be legal in SCRRA.


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 05:54 PM

If they are equal to the H-7 then, not legal,   For other reasons since the H-7 is widely used in other  classes.


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 07:08 PM

Thanks Tim, Sam, Mark I guess. We I guess it will make a great practice car. 



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 07:39 PM

If you get skilled using a faster motor, then when you put in a slower (legal) motor,  you will have  more confidence in an actual race.


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 10:15 PM

Hmmm, as mentioned, TSR, HR[R7?] and Falcon 7 are the motors of SCRRA. Good enough. No more motor wars.


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 10:57 PM

Hey Mark, If It helps my driving skills then I'm all for it. Man do I need to improve. Sam, Bryan, Dale, Ben just to name a few these guys make me look like I'm standing still. More practice faster motor i'm in.


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 11:01 PM

Forgot to mention the king Duran. Fast Fast Fast. I need to practice.







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