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#1 Gator Bob

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 01:06 AM

I'm BACK ... Tought some of youz would wanna to see diss so Greg 'The Cheater' Wells 'hooked me up'.
 
The Stock Car Chassis Champion Never Made
 
The 4-½” in-line brass rail Stock Car Chassis was available starting with part #285 in 1967.
This creation was built as a one-off roduction prototype or a “What If” build to try and run with the anglewinder cars. When the AW chassis with floppy pans took over the rapidly changing slot car world the in-line cars were left behind.
What I built here is a late 1968 #286 chassis with an upgrade to floppy pans using an early 1969 Champion kit #293-2. These are the same pans that became the standard for Champion “RTR Group Cars” into the stamped center 1970s NCC period.
 
I did the wire pan hinge different than the instructions or production cars... one long 'L' that keeps the front of the pan from bending after the first wall shot.
 
Could it compete with the AW cars? No, or highly doubtful.
Is it a missing link? - Maybe
Is it cool as hell? -  Damn, I think so.
Would a 617 make it rock...or roll? ... A 517 fits in a hypoid configuration.
Should it be built up with 3/32" modern rolling stock 'n BBs? Maybe.
 
And there it is!

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 02:20 AM

Very cool.

 

Welcome back.

 

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 06:06 AM

He's back!!


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 06:39 AM

Glad you're still kicking it!  

 

Mossetti chassis are the 'now' chassis BTW.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 01:55 PM

I would have pre-tinned all the brass tubing to give that chassis a "factory look." 

 

Welcome back, now behave! :laugh2:


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 02:38 PM

Glad you're still kicking it!  

 

Mossetti chassis are the 'now' chassis BTW

 

StarKist.  :good:

 

Still... alive and kickin'.

Guess it would be best to hold on just a little bit tighter  to all those JKs now that they are obsolete and future collectables.  

 

Old is the new now for me... so in the year 2525 (If man is still alive) those will bring in the big bucks.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 02:40 PM

I would have pre-tinned all the brass tubing to give that chassis a "factory look". Welcome back, now behave! :laugh2:

 

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 07:35 PM

Hi Bob,  :bye:  Cool chassis!  :good:


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Posted 21 July 2017 - 09:07 PM

Hi Rick,

And thanks.
Trying to figure out how to build it up, too many options. Your suggestions or input is valuable.
 
The only thing I'm fixed on is the body has to be a 1968-69 stocker.
 
This what has been running through "My Mind." :crazy:  
 
1 - A Group 12 Champion 26D 'maybe cheated-up' with Arco magnets and shim, vintage 1/8" rolling stock and Cox flag. A 'pure car.'
2 - Same as above with a 517 or one of "My Built" 16D motors like THIS ONE.
3 - Resto Rod 'mash-up' with a fresh Puppy Dog, pink gear/angled pinion, 3/32" rolling and all other modern components.
Last but not least.
4 - A two-hole Mura Super Wasp and 1/8" ProTrack five-hole wheels and white letter tires.
 
What to do? :wacko2:
How would you do it? :)
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Posted 21 July 2017 - 10:51 PM

I'm in favor of #1.

 

Just have to find a "Proper" period stock-car body.


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 09:07 AM

I like plan #1, too. Should be very smooth and fast.
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 12:32 PM

I like plan #4.


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 01:26 PM

#2!!
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 07:22 PM

I do appreciate all your input. Thanks.
 
The list kind of came out in the order choice that I thought made most 'sense' with regards to KooL factor. Number 3 would most likely be the fast fun factor and if the drop arm got welded up it would be a legal Retro car. I know, I know the motor would not be but it will never get a FK-130 style motor, ever. Well ... unless some one else owns it.
 
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I hear ya'. I do have a good selection of straight up and flat Stocker bodies.
 
Flat (Handling) - Lancer originals and MAC repop
Straight up (scale-ish) - Lancer, Booth, O/S, and Parma. The only one I'm ruling out is the O/S '66 Charger as the come with a factory 'dent' in the left front corner.
 
So... Handling (w/ short wings?) or Scale (w/ rear spoiler?) ??? I don't know what year the stepped-on Handing bodies first came on the 'scene but the do have a KooL factor all their own. 
 
Not a poll but... Everybody's Free:)
 
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D.C.,
I agree it would be a good HP match, be pure ride and smooth as ale... but maybe 'tipsy' (hic*) with the short/tall chubby 'engine #26.'
 
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Did you change from #3 to #4 or am I losing it? I have a very sweet 'Fresh from Florida' built double BB SWasp screamer that would make this thing 'haulass.'
I'll post that over in "My Built."
 
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A true 517 or the Mura-Buchi in the link?
 
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 07:31 PM

Motor for choice #1

 

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 07:51 PM

Trying to figure out how to build it up, too many options. Your suggestions or input is valuable... What to do? :wacko2:

 
Hi Bob,
 
This is just me but I have fun building cars close to how they were back in the day. It's interesting and fun for me to see how they run. We already know how much better a more modern approach works.
 
Again, this is just me. :crazy:  Whatever you do, if you have fun doing it you've made the right choice.  :good:
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 08:09 PM

Hey Rick,

Thanks and I'll take that as choice #1. :good:
 
Gr-12 26D it will be. That is what the motor bracket was designed for. :victory:
A Pure Prep ! :D

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:23 AM

Bob,

The fairlane that O/S sells is the body we used back then.
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 10:02 AM

Tony,

Thanks.
 
Like THIS ONE?
 
I think those are a Lancer copy and I like the straight up vs. the stepped-on look of the 'handling' bodies.
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 03:08 PM

No, that's not it. Champion made the body.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 03:11 PM

"My Bad"... you did say Fairlane.
 
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 03:12 PM

That's it.
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 07:12 PM

Now that Fairlane is one sweet-looking stocker shell. :D Tough to decide between regular and the equally cool *squished* handling ones.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 07:22 PM

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Did you change from #3 to #4 or am I losing it?  I have a very sweet 'Fresh from Florida' built double BB SWasp screamer that would make this thing 'haulass'.
I'll post that over in "My Built".

 
Bob, you must be losing it, I never changed my choice. :)  I figured if you were going to run this car much on tracks, a C-can and Super Wasp arm would be easy to replace when the first one blows. It would also provide you plenty of RPMs. If you're building this for a shelf-queen, any motor, or even no motor, will do.

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Posted 24 July 2017 - 09:42 AM

Bill, I agree with your synopsis as a runner, good power band and just gotta love that two-hole scream.
Not my first choice but it would be armed and dangerous.  This car will never be run in anger. :diablo:
 
With the 42o, BBs and Champ lite springs she's real loose. :bomb:
Da da dumb da dumb da da  :D

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Posted 24 July 2017 - 03:52 PM

Now that's a very unique motor.  :shok:

 

Cheers,


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:01 AM

To the "Keeper Of Odd Knowledge" You can see the unique insect guts over in "My Built."

 

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So... I checked stock of bits for this stock.

 

- Found the correct 'hub cap' wheels and some Parma orange donuts to re-shod the rears.

- Still looking for a Williams crown thinking I saw one somewhere. If not there are other options.

- Of all the bodies... I'm Outistock on a fresh Outisite Fairlane. looking at some painted bods on hand... got some sweet ones, I hate cutting window masks. 

 

Maybe a little bit o'soul will come my way.


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Posted 28 July 2017 - 03:07 PM

Watching The Wheels

 

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 04:52 PM

Beautifully done. :good:


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Posted 28 July 2017 - 07:03 PM

Thanks, Rick,

 

The 'hub cap' wheels are pretty cool lookin'.

Those rears did come in native orange and with the rubber on them should make them 'pure... squeezed.'


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Posted 29 July 2017 - 11:15 PM

MoJo JoJo must look over HERE to find where the reincarnation might happen.

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 12:35 PM

MoJo JoJo asks.
 
"Where is there a vintage written rule set for Group-12 when 26D motors were running in that class?"

NCC, ARCO, CM... etc?
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 01:51 PM

MoJo got flavor donuts.
 
These should trim out real nice. A final polish, glue and true (mess of rind).

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 08:15 PM

Reset –

 

Tried those .680" fronts with a straight-up stocker bumper/door line body, they look totally ridiculous. Way too small.

 

The hubs are nice but not so much for this car/body concept combo.


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 08:18 PM

Dokk, Steve, Rick, Don... anyone?

 

Looked in Steve's vintage rule library. 

 

"Where is there a vintage written rule set for Group-12 when 26D motors were running in that class?"

NCC, ARCO, CM...etc?


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 08:51 PM

Hi Bob,

 

I've seen those wheels with 3/4" and 7/8" tires, too. What's your chassis set up for?


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 10:14 PM

Hi Rick...

 

Factory jigged at 7/8" gives 1/16".

Was going to drop the axle.

Trying to find a vintage Group 12 rule, until then I'm going with the flow maybe low..

 

The .680"s to 3/4" would almost work with the slammed-roof MAC Merc.  

 

I have a pair of early hard plastic 3/4" tire closed end smoothie center. They really 'rumbled'.

A pair of open ended .875" hard but in poor shape.

Nether do 'anything major' for the look of the car. Looks wise they don't hold a candle to the hub caps.

Could re-rubber the hub caps but it's the tiny hub that looks way goofy to me under the tall body.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 10:09 AM

Hi Bob,

 

I don't know much about NCC rules and I'm not sure what the boys did with an NCC 26D. I do think that your chassis (with 7/8" tires) would make a great period '67-68 local raceway screamer with a 26D rewind of some kind.

 

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Just for grins, here's a Dubro NASCAR Fairlane with slightly smaller 13/16" fronts:

 

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But you have to like it. I've built cars the way I was "supposed" to and never really liked them... I sold them.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 01:09 PM

Thanks, Rick.

 

I hear ya a 100%. Pure and correct, eye scale and pure badA$$ all have a place to fit in around these parts.

 

Love the picture. Mint Champion parts and a Krisple Kleer. The detail on that Du-Bro is.

Those wheels are great and look totally 'RTR correct' but... for a six-cyl three on the tree grandma car. Big numbers on the door can't hide that look.

 

Toyin' with a slammed MAC Merc and a straight ups makes it a tough call.

 

The only 'perfect'  answer is... make it a "3 in 1 Custom" boxed set.

 

3 in 1: I like the sound of that... umm.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:21 PM

Well... I went deep, got lucky and found a pair of NOS #395 just like you show above. Need clean-up.

I would classify these as hype rare. Only set I've seen until yours Rick and probably Scott has them, that's like 3. 

 

This car is worthy notworthy.gif  and those will be for option #1 in '3 in 1'

 

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Just hit me :dash2:

The 3 in 1 concept breaks a procrastination barrier, avoids getting stuck deciding on the best way to build it. 

Just build'em all :dance3: 

 

 

 

1- Pure Stock  -  All Champion build, 67 Pontiac GTO w/601, Hub Caps F&R

2- Custom - Parma Merc w/601

3- Race - 68 Charger or 67 Fairlane - w/Group-12

3a - Outlaw Race - MAC Merc w/617

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 02:16 PM

Option #3 gets completed first.

The "Pit Posse" Motorsports Dodge Charger

Sponsor livery Five Star bodies and Wiseco Pistons.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 02:19 PM

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 01:25 PM

Option #1 body: 1967 GTO. :)

 

Paint booth: This option #1 pure 'box' stock car is nickel and diming me.  :victory:

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 08:58 PM

I see what you did there......    :D


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Posted 16 August 2017 - 08:03 PM

It'll be stock as a box of..... nickels? :)

 

Zero overspray :victory:

 

And... you know, a $100 wing car fits perfect in that box. :D


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