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#1 Mark Crowley

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 10:25 AM

Saw that JK has new natural donut that is listed as DS* Premium.

 

JKP-D1 _ 0.375"ID x 0.850"OD Natural Donut (pr) * PREMIUM *

 

Anyone know the difference from the DS? (Besides a $1).

 

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 11:51 AM

Not sure what the diff is but I notice an interesting pricing strategery on the regular non-premium DS donut. It is $3.50 ea. or $46.66 for ten. Now there's a deal for ya.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 12:21 PM

LOL... I'd bet that gets adjusted soon, now that you've pointed it out, Jim.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 01:29 PM

Don't know if there is a difference between the "DS" rubber from what Jerry previously sold as natural rubber.

 

I do know that it worked great for my vintage cars, plus was the only donut available anywhere with a large enough OD to use on the old mid-'60s cars.



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Posted 26 August 2017 - 01:49 PM

Fixing the pricing now, oops. There will still be many more mistakes I'm sure. Over 12,000 prices to try to get right.

 

The new premium donuts have a much tighter pore structure, firmer than our regular rubber, excellent grip, and a little longer life. The ISRA guys love them. 


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 01:54 PM

Any chance you will sell the premiums as a finished tire in the future?


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 01:57 PM

Tim,

 

If those are the donuts I tested, you need to get these released on rims.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 02:25 PM

Yes, Tony. I can make them into tires. As you can image, with the huge assortment of tires/rims/sizes we offer it would be too difficult to make all of them.

 

What sizes would you guys like?


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 02:51 PM

I'd go with the Retro sizes – big hub, small hub, and .815" diameter – other classes with smaller diameters can cut them down!! 


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 02:52 PM

I second that.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 03:00 PM

That sounds good.

 

Just a premium version of your 8703, 8713 tires.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 03:03 PM

They'll be online shortly. ;)

 

Remember when I said I wanted to increase communications with raceways and racers? 

 

Thanks for the input, guys. Keep it coming. 


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 03:47 PM

Also .765"s for wings and flexis.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 04:08 PM

Also 765's for wings and flexis

 

Those are the ones that can be cut down from Retro sizes! :)


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 04:34 PM

Plan to come out with small hub (0.400") and 0.765" or smaller diameter. Also medium hub (0.470") and 0.820" or smaller diameters. I should have them available in a week.

 

If anyone has an emergency we could probably make the small hub tires custom for you but would have to charge more since it's not part of our normal production yet. 


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 04:42 PM

Tighter pore structure... now that sounds like some of those tires that are unobtanium sometimes and very expensive when you can get 'em.

 

I think I'll hold off my next tire order 'til these are ready.

 

WTG, Tim.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 10:40 PM

Wow glad I asked. Ten pair of JKP-D1 for $28. A 20% discount. Previously my choice from the track's distributor was very limited in JK donuts. They just carried the D4 for $4.65 a pair.

 

I now have a choice of any of the JK donuts, a discount for buying 10 (which I do anyway), plus there is a new premium fish donut to try.

 

Thanks, Tim.

 

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 11:32 AM

The new premium donuts have a much tighter pore structure, firmer than our regular rubber, excellent grip, and a little longer life. The ISRA guys love them.


Is "premium" the same rubber as on the D14 natural?


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 11:37 AM

I wouldn't want the new DS "Retro" tires to start out at .815" diameter, that's way too small to allow any break-in or to do a light touch up on the tire truer. I would highly recommend making them available at .830".


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 12:06 PM

I agree, Jay.

 

The .820"s I have been getting seem to measure  about .830" or just over. That is fine by me. Nothing starting out smaller please.


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 12:10 PM

No, Frank, very different rubber than our D14.

 

Jay, we've got you covered. Thanks for the input.


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 01:14 PM

The .850" OD that is listed for natural on the website is perf. On a large hub they'll be bigger. No prob. I like starting out with .830" finished and ready for practice


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 03:28 PM

.830" works good for me too. I use them at .820" on my Retro Stockers, then use them at .812" for CA and Coupe. Then at .790" for F1. After that they get used on Flexi cars at .750". After that my cats like to play with them. But they prefer "fish rubber."


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 03:34 PM

Is there a rule of thumb on which id size donut is correct for a given hub size?  Such as:

 

.375" ID tire for .400" and .425" hubs.

.425" ID tire .470", .510", and .600" hubs

 

My local track owners just notified me that they are now listed on the JK website and thanked me for the info. Without Slotblog I would not have found out about JK's new direct to track sales. I want to direct the thanks I received to Cheater for Slotblog and also JK-Tim for using this valuable resource to spread the word.

 

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 03:41 PM

.690" is way too large for the cars we race on our flat track.  :)



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Posted 27 August 2017 - 09:17 PM

.690" is way too large for the cars we race on our flat track :)


That's why you have a Hudy – so you can turn them down a millimetre or two

.690" is only 17.5mm, you'll be running 16mm? Will help you fill in your day rather than posting like above.



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Posted 27 August 2017 - 11:00 PM

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 07:26 AM

Is there a rule of thumb on which id size donut is correct for a given hub size?  Such as:

 

.375" ID tire for .400" and .425" hubs.

.425" ID tire .470", .510", and .600" hubs

 

My local track owners just notified me that they are now listed on the JK website and thanked me for the info. Without Slotblog I would not have found out about JK's new direct to track sales. I want to direct the thanks I received to Cheater for Slotblog and also JK-Tim for using this valuable resource to spread the word.

 

Hi Mark,

 

Yes, on 0.375", but for 0.425" we think you'd have a difficult time stretching them on a 0.600" hub so we have 0.575" ID for those hubs.


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 07:29 AM

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 02:01 PM

Tim:

 

I am putting together a shopping list to take to my track and I noticed that it looks like the DS/L-10 cost still needs to be adjusted. I know you have a full plate and just wanted to bring it to your attention.  The .850" OD donuts work for what I run. 

 

Thanks

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 02:33 PM

Any part number for these finished tires yet?


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 04:47 PM

Not yet, so many fires... think I am at least partially up on email now. Was down all day due to the hurricane. 


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 10:59 AM

Premium tires are up and available. Look under: New Products.
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Posted 19 September 2017 - 06:31 PM

I used the DS JK Premium donuts the last two weeks for our Group 10 GTP races.  I chemically treated them prior to mounting on .400 JK plastic hubs. I raced them @ .735" for the first race, retrued and raced again @ .730" .  (note <.005" wear for the first race) 

 

Our track is a very fast 220 foot long Engleman with a mixture of flatish and banked corners.  We typically use .400 (small) and .470 (large) JK Plastic treated tires.  I went 194.5 laps the first and 188 the second race. (track record is 196 laps)

 

My inital impression of the rubber was one of genuine surprise and a sense of urgency. The surprise was due to the incredibly tight pore structure, strong fish rubber scent, and unusual amount of natural stickiness present on the bare donuts. The urgency was because I only ordered 20 pair. I've since aquired enough to consider myself well stocked. 

 

This rubber absolutely needs to be part of your race program.  If your racing on a track where natural rubber is appropriate, and your not using this batch, your at a distinct disadvantage.

 

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 07:31 PM

Hopefully Eagle will now carry all  of the Jk donuts including the premium fish rubber.  Fortunately I purchased JK donuts from my local track when JK was selling direct to the tracks.  Buying the packs of 10 pair was really nice.  Must say I am sorry that JK reverted back to the distributors.

Eagle currently lists only one JK donut for purchase which is shown as the JKP-D4 .375 x .975 Natural Tire Donut for a list price of $4.65.  JKProducts.com does not list a .375x.975 tire but has a JKP-D4 .375 x .920 with a list price of $3.50.

 

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 07:52 PM

As far as I know JK will still sell direct at retail. Tim???

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 08:59 PM

As far as I know JK will still sell direct at retail. Tim???


I only buy from my local track so that is not an option. Hopefully the new owner of Eagle Distributing will work to increase what is available. I realize Eagle cannot stock everything slot car but I am willing to special order and wait as needed.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 06:39 AM

Hi Mark,

 

I am working with the distributors on updating their pricing, new numbering system, and adding the new products. Please give us a little time.

 

Yes Don, we still sell direct at retail.

 

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 09:57 AM

I am working with the distributors on updating their pricing, new numbering system, and adding the new products. Please give us a little time.

 

Yes Don, we still sell direct at retail.

 

We assumed there has been a lot of work happening behind the scenes and appreciate anything that can help our local tracks get the products they need in a timely fashion. You spoiled us briefly with easy access to your entire catalog.

 

Hopefully your recent moves has provided the "jolt" the slot car industry needed to improve.

 

Thanks,

 

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 09:59 AM

It's still there, Mark. ;)

 

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:15 PM

Hi,

 

All talk about these new donuts. But which is these as so popular for ISRA. The P/N please when I can find these specific.

 

Interest from Sweden.


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Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:33 PM

Hi Hans,

 

They mostly like the DS* Premium donuts but some are also using the DML* Premium donuts. 

 

https://www.jkproduc.../en/789-premium

 

Here are the tires.

https://www.jkproduc.../rubber-premium

 

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:44 PM

Thanks, Tim.

But which have the tight rubber structure as might work best for ES24 and ES32?

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 04:01 PM

All the * premium donuts and tires are the special rubber. 


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 05:46 AM

How about making them affordable, 10-13 bucks is ridiculous for a set of toy car tires.

 

JK, how about offering a core deal, we mail the hubs in you recon them?


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 05:50 AM

The price is way better than the Kelly's which so far they seem quite comparable to.


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:00 AM

How about making them affordable, 10-13 bucks is ridiculous for a set of toy car tires.
 
JK, how about offering a core deal, we mail the hubs in you recon them?


You can buy premium donuts from JK in packs of 10 pair for $3.80 a pair. Add a Hudy Tire Truer, power supply, contact cement, new or used hubs, solvent, shipping costs, sweat equity, become a Slotbog advertiser and you can be in the slot car tire recon business.

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:16 AM

I'm sure labor is the biggest part of the cost. Reusing hubs has some risks, especially with the set-screw threads.
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:20 AM

Maybe time to think about another hobby if you think slot car tires are too expensive?


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:36 AM

How about making them affordable, 10-13 bucks is ridiculous for a set of toy car tires.


Tim's not wholesaling them at those figures, you know. The distributor marks them up, as does the retailing "vendor."

Could you make high-quality slot car tires for roughly half of retail and actually make a profit?
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