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#151 jimht

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 12:26 PM

I don't care how fast or slow you may think your car is, if you hand it to someone who is a better tweaker and driver than you are they will not only make your car faster they will drive it faster, too... (without changing to a "better" motor).
 
Just be thankful your survival as a member of the slot car racing species is not dependent on your ability to complain about your shortcomings as a racer.
 
(re: Darwin and "Origin of Species".)
 
Addendum: if all the motors are identical there will always be another reason losers lose.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 01:12 PM

I've had several of these two-speed motors and I concur with Jersey John. Once the brushes are fully seated the two-speed effect is gone, at least that has been what happened on all of my HR and H7 motors. 
 
One other thing that has happened on several of my motors is that when the two-speed effect goes away the magnetic "cog" seems to increase. I only have 20 motors so that is only what I have experienced with my limited supply of motors.


That has been my experience as well.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 01:42 PM

Another issue that greatly affects speed but no one ever looks into it is your controller.

After a few years probably once or twice hooking it up inorrect;y has had a damaging effect to the transistor even though it appears to be OK. I screwed myself this Fall Brawl because my controller wiper arm was hitting a piece of plastic in the controller. The blast relay was not kicking in plus I was a little short of the end of the resistor board, losing about 1-1/4 volts on the top all the time, thinking my motors were dogs.

Do a quick test with a voltmeter. First read your white track power; let's say it's 12 volts. Next hook the wire up to the black of your controller and bottom out the trigger. The readings should be very very close. My difference was 1-1/4 volts. Any idea how much that came off of my top speed?

Sorry for going off topic but there's so many other things that can slow a car down.

Are your bearings in correctly and parallel? Can your axle slide in and out with hardly any effort or is it binding?

I think we need a topic about things that slow a car down.

Have a good day, folks, and have a great Thanksgiving.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 01:45 PM

Does anyone have R motors for sale? The only way I can make a 7R fast is with gear but evidently I am doing it wrong. Hopefully, I can find a motherload of R motors I can gear normally.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 01:59 PM

I think we need a topic about things that slow a car down.


#1 on my list would be me!
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 04:37 PM

Does anyone have R motors for sale? The only way I can make a 7R fast is with gear but evidently I am doing it wrong. Hopefully, I can find a motherload of R motors I can gear normally.


Got some I'll sell ya LOL.


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Posted 20 November 2017 - 05:12 PM

My revised Hawk budget.

 

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 06:24 PM

I have three left from a track pack.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 06:32 PM

i want them. Send me price and PayPal.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 06:51 PM

Will am I missing something?
 
If you can make them fast with gear that does not make them worse, only different.
 
Gear them as they need to be geared. But then I am not the big time racer.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 07:01 PM

They don't last, Eddie. The Rs are faster and don't have to be geared for the salt flats to be fast. I am following the manufacturer's recommendations and trying to find a motor I can gear normal. So far, no luck.

Any Rs out there in the world?
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 07:09 PM

Will,

Did you try the 7R-motored car you lent me at the Sano at the Brawl?

It still seemed strong, the last heat, when I held you and Fox off, from black lane, for second.

I know it was still strong in the seventh heat, when I almost matched Willy's purple lane time.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 07:15 PM

Yep. The reason I loaned you the car was to see if a 26 would hold. The gear and motor held up. I put a great trigger at the drivers panel. Even that combo was not enough to beat an R motor geared properly.

Some 7Rs will last geared 9/26 or 10. Many motors will not.

Point proven at the Fall Brawl. Now we all scramble to get as many Rs as possible before the next Premier event.


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Posted 20 November 2017 - 08:11 PM

Cash for your "R" Hawks. Paying top dollar.

Looks like a junk car ad LOL.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 09:13 PM

Push, pull, or drag them here. We will take them. :)
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:51 PM

Hahaha.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:06 PM

This thread defines the old saying, a tempest in a teapot.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:12 PM

Or as Grandma would say it's "To the Window to the Wall."


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Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:34 PM

So... I got out when the Puppy was euthanized... never owned or run one of these exact motors, some TSR, Falcons, Evils the first 7s.

... but...

I was at my local slot shop today and upon inspection of one I think I know the fourth reason for the Texas Two-Step that Ron isn't telling anyone unless they are of importance and ask nicely. I missed the YouTube TV episode and there here is no good reason Ron shouldn't be heard on this.
 
The mysterious phenomenon hasn't been discussed that I know of.

As former non-A Mainer I have no street cred. Ron Hershman, "for the love of motors," please tell them... ha-ha.


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Posted 21 November 2017 - 08:41 AM

Anyone watch the Netflix show Ozarks? Maybe Kevin Donovan didn't want to be Mike Fleming any more. 


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Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:02 AM

Who knows of the fictional Moriarty?
 
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Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:23 AM

A question for Cheater...

 

Has the IRRA® given any recent thought to making only the new 7R motors legal for major events?


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Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:28 AM

Yes, Eddie, it has been discussed.


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Posted 21 November 2017 - 11:34 AM

Has the IRRA® given any recent thought to making only the new 7R motors legal for major events?


The new 7R is the problem here... Make that the only legal motor and watch the entries decline.


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Posted 21 November 2017 - 12:08 PM

The "Most Feared Man in Retro Racing" has just dropped the mic!!


Sorry about the nerf. "Sorry? Sorry? There's no apologizing in slot car racing!" 

Besides, where would I even begin?   I should probably start with my wife ...

 

"I don't often get very many "fast laps" but I very often get many laps quickly." 

 

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