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#1 Cheater

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:47 AM

I never have...

 

From a Facebook post by Ed Cicoria. The Hobby Shop on Woodman at Oxnard in Van Nuys, CA, date unknown.

 

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:03 AM

Looks like an American black.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:15 AM

Flat king or flat black equals no fun!


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:17 AM

Oh, I don't now about that, Dennis... In your opinion, maybe...


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:51 AM

I can't say for sure but it looks like they may be running reverse of normal direction?


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 10:02 AM

I saw a picture of one overseas but I can't remember where, maybe Sweden.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 10:50 AM

Just an American black. They did race down the doughnut.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 10:54 AM

Doh! My face is a little red, as of course it is a black.

 

I just snagged the pic off eBay and parroted the description without engaging brain. Sorry...


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 11:12 AM

Looks like a fun flat track! Seems it requires a rather large footprint.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 11:25 AM

20' x 30' as I recall, kinda regret selling mine and my AMCR orange 25 years ago...


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 11:44 AM

Buzzy has one with banked turns.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 11:45 AM

Two "local" examples: Modelville in Ashland, MA and with steering wheels at Buzz-A-Rama in NYC.

 

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 12:13 PM

Buzzy has one with banked turns.


Don't know if it is generally known that the flat black and the banked black were actually called different designs by AMRC and have different lap lengths.

The flat black was called a Regal 90 and is 90 feet long.

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The banked black was called a Royal 95 and was 95 feet long.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 12:30 PM

Fastraxxx, Fremont, OH. Fun both directions. Wish it was flat.
 
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 03:00 PM

I see Cheater in that photo somewhere :D


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 04:59 PM

The Engleman red was pretty much a king track layout with mostly flat turns... and a triangular donut!  


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 05:19 PM

Ours was orange at Sebring Sport Center.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 05:40 PM

Some years ago, there was a "flat" King build in Denmark.

 

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 06:25 PM

The American black that was at my home track (Kapps Raceway) in central Phoenix 1965-ish was flat and was run backwards, as in down the donut. The Pittman 196B was king on that track. Kapps had an American red, American orange, and the American black.

 

The orange was the favorite track, with the black second; the red was not popular in Phoenix as most racing occurred on 100' or so tracks with little or no banking.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:07 PM

I would like the black if it was run to the right.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:08 PM

Sam,

 

You still have the black track?


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:12 PM

Running it like a King there is very little room for a marshal under the bridge. When run the opposite direction it is much easier to marshal.



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 03:04 PM

Running it like a King there is very little room for a marshal under the bridge. When run the opposite direction it is much easier to marshal.

 

That goes for just about all the AMR tracks.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 03:43 PM

Will take some pictures this weekend, he will be open.

I never go on the Black track never know how to gear it for 16D any Ideas?


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 03:57 PM

There was a flat King in Perth ,Western Australia back in the ‘90s.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:31 AM

The Royal in Bordo - an original 60s model, refurbished about 20 years ago. 

 

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I remember running on a Black many years ago in Seattle, at Jack's Greenwood Raceway(?). Can't remember if it was flat or not... 

 

Actually, on the Bordo track, where we run reverse direction also (right to left from the drivers' panel), I would have preferred mostly flat, with maybe just the one banked turn... 

 

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:52 AM

Everyone is talking about running the Black tracks 'backwards'. We never thought that back in the '60's!! Its's a King track syndrome I guess!


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:27 AM

In the case of the banked Black, it makes sense, as common sense would have one think you want to run down the long straight, into a banked turn.

In 2005, before Retro, we raced the Red Fox inline F1 cars.

One night, Sano Dave and I ran one backwards on the King.

After about a half hour, we were turning times, as fast, as running it in the normal direction.

But that was on Orange.

Running Black probably would of been bit more of a challenge.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:34 AM

Still have my American Regal "Black" track.  Always ran down the donut.  It was extremely fast and challenging.  WIsh I could find a place to set it up again.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 12:14 PM

We have run the Royal at Modelville in both directions. I can say the racing is better running clockwise.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:01 AM

I can't say for sure but it looks like they may be running reverse of normal direction?


I agree with that. Rear wheels are to the right, front wheels to the left, car moving from right to left = reverse!
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Posted Yesterday, 08:27 PM

Went to Buzz-A-Rama today; kids wanted to go on the black track.

 

Had a great time.

Buzz said that when the track was new the sections were set up to go clockwise.

 

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Posted Yesterday, 08:42 PM

You still have the black track?


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Posted Yesterday, 11:10 PM

Since Buz-A-Rama is kind of an institution to slot racers and the oldest continually operating track in America (world?), it might be worthwhile for one of you local guys to take some nice pictures of the store, tracks and general layout.   If that is OK with Buzz, I'm sure other guys would like to see the complete store in detail.

 

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