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#26 Half Fast

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:03 PM

You might want to consider selling the revised guide/spacer separately.

 

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:13 PM

Two versions of the kits will be available:


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:14 PM

MR5001 Will have the originally designed Tongue and Guide doubler

MR5001 Will have the ones pictured above


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:15 PM

You should note in instructions that the arms can not be cut off tongue and left on spacer.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:24 PM

MR5001 Will have the originally designed Tongue and Guide doubler
MR5001 Will have the ones pictured above

Ernie,
You show the same stock # for both types.

Also, just curious, what Retro org does/will allow the original version?

IE-here's Retro rules. I don't see where in their rules where it would be allowed.


RETRO Can Am Rules©
​ Effective January 1, 2017
Chassis- Are to be scratchbuilt from the listed materials or kits.
Allowed Materials are Brass in sheet, rod and tube forms. Bronze rod for
chassis main rails/rails. Steel in piano/music wire, pin tube(s). Steel guide
holders are allowed but can not exceed a max width of 1" ( 25.4 mm )
and be no longer than 1 1/2" ( 38.1 mm ) in length. No other materials
allowed in chassis construction.
Chassis are to be inline drive type. Motor shaft must be 90 degrees to the rear
axle. No offset motors allowed. The motor shaft is to be on the centerline of
the chassis.
Floating pin tubes are allowed. Steel parts cut from Flexi type chassis are not
allowed.
Chassis must have a three sided and one piece rear motor bracket with a
minimum height of .200" in the areas between the motor mount and
bushing/bearing/tube areas . Bracket width is open. No cut and soldered
rear brackets allowed. The motor must be supported by the bracket and the
bracket extend to touch the rear axle bushings/bearings/tube(s). The motor must
be soldered or screwed to the bracket.
Keyed or Snap type chassis construction is not allowed. Chassis
Main Rails of round steel wire or round brass rod/tubing may be
ground/sanded a maximum of 20% of the wire diameter and must be ground/sanded
on the bottom side of the wire and chassis only. No flat or strip type rails
allowed. Chassis Main Rails must connect the front of the chassis to the rear
motor bracket. No Pan type or one piece type chassis allowed. The bottom
surface of the chassis and motor must be straight and flat in all directions (
front to rear and side to side ) with no sagging or drooping or bowing parts
below the chassis main rails. This will be checked with a straight edge ruler.
All hinged movements must be oriented in one and the same
direction excluding the drop arm. Shaker pans are allowed. Centerline hinges
are not allowed.
Maximum chassis width is 3 1/8" ( 79.38 mm

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:39 PM

oops. Second one should read MR5002


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:40 PM

I don't see anything in the SCRRA rules either that would allow it;

 

CA2. Chassis construction
CA2a. Materials: Brass sheet, rod and tubing, steel wire, and guide tongues are allowed. Other than flat guide tongues, stamped steel parts, EDM or laser-cut parts of any material are not allowed unless submitted by the manufacturer and approved by the SCRRA board.   Stamped steel guide tongues no longer than 1 1/2" and no wider than 1" are allowed.  Maximum solid wire diameter used in any part of the chassis construction is 1/8". The use of components removed from flexi car chassis's are not allowed with the exception of the stamped guide tongues.

CA2b. Inline drive only, with the motor on center and shaft at 90 degrees to the rear axle as seen from above. A one-piece, three-sided brass-sheet motor bracket forming the rear axle carrier is mandatory. Motors may be soldered in.
CA2c. All hinged movements must be oriented in only one direction. Center-line hinges are not allowed.
No chassis movement, dynamic or induced, may extend the overall chassis width to more than 3.125".
CA2d. Axles: Both axles must be of solid 3/32" minimum diameter steel rod. A single straight, one-piece front axle is required, carrying both front wheels. The axle may be fixed or in a tube. Flats can only be ground on axles for wheels or gear setscrews.
CA2e: Guide flag must be centered on the longitudinal axis of the chassis. No sideways "free float" or offset is allowed.

CA2f: Front-axle holder construction:
Uprights fitting inside slots cut in the chassis by any process are not allowed, but if an obvious effort has been made to construct something beyond the tab in slot assembly a consideration will be made. Vertical sheet-brass pillow block uprights may be soldered to the sides of the main part of the chassis that holds the guide tongue, again if an obvious effort has been made at reinforcement.  No flat, stand alone, vertical, sheet metal pillow blocks or tabs are allowed.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:41 PM

Cutting off the ears of the Guide Doubler in the MR5001 kit would make it legal in IRRA and SCRRA


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:45 PM

Got it.

 

FWIW, the other 2 orgs don't mention a 2nd piece of steel allowed.

 

We only did as of that 2016 announcement.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:50 PM

I may have to make some Brass Guide Doublers then


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:52 PM

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:55 PM

I may have to make some Brass Guide Doublers then

Or check with Ron and Bryan Warmack.

 

When your chassis came out, as our FB conversation indicated, I didn't remember us mentioning/adding a doubler in that 2016 announcement.

 

The BOD agreed to allow it, regardless, as long as it matched a legal sized, flat guide tongue.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 10:34 PM

What's the thickness of the brass, or did I miss something?


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:10 PM

.040 I believe

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:40 PM

   We're not too technical out here on the West Coast.  As long as the steel spacer/doubler was no wider than 1" (Ernie's pic in post #19)  it would be legal with the SCRRA.

   

    Great looking kit!  I'll have Debby at BPR order some!   :good:


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:54 PM

sub wire pans for brass pans! another chassis for the king!  :D


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 12:17 AM

Nice chassis. I especially like that motor bracket. :good:


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 12:34 AM

We're not too technical out here on the West Coast.

Good news, Bryan.

Just in time for X-mas, C/R has come out with the 'All-in-one, SCRRA Tech Tool'. Lol

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PS-I got the check for the motor clips.
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Posted 08 December 2017 - 12:49 AM

The motor bracket has 5 sides which does not conform to my reading of the rules.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 12:59 AM

  Mike,

       If they are calibrated please send 2.............We always lose one!  :laugh2:


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:04 AM

Greg,
Someone else PM'ed me with that info.

While it doesn't conform to the RETRO or SCRRA rules, it does conform to IRRA® rules;

3. Chassis Construction: 3a. Each car must have a one-piece brass rear bracket consisting of at least three sides (vertical or horizontal), with each connected side having a minimum width or height of at least .200".

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:51 AM

.040 I believe

Yes.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:54 AM

If that is .040 brass how heavy is that chassis?


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 10:48 AM

Eddie .The assembled car in the above pictures weighs 60,5 grams - Bearings and Fronts installed


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