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#1 dalek

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 10:27 AM

In the "Florida wing car series" thread that is currently active here on Slotblog, kids were mentioned.  
 
It reminded me of the occasional times I've been in a race with a kid that would deslot about every 5th lap.  It amazed me that the parent that was at the race with them would allow them to continue creating such havoc and carnage.
 
It doesn't surprise me, but does irritate me somewhat that raceway owners do not black flag anyone (not just kids) who is deslotting excessively.  
 
I'd like to see it become typical that we get black flagged for the rest of a heat after we've deslotted three or four times in that heat.  
 
The race director should give a verbal warning to anyone who he feels is deslotting excessively, then black flag the car, for the rest of that heat, if it deslots again.
 
Out of respect for the other drivers and their equipment, we should black flag ourselves if we simply just can't keep it in the slot, and then try again on the next lane.
 
 

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 10:46 AM

Raceways would become even more lonely very quickly.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:12 AM

Kids need to learn and not be discouraged.  Most wing car races have low attendance and everyone's attendance helps contribute to make a full field..  I can see your point if it was a big race like the Nats, but for a monthly wing car race, I'd let it go.  Time would be better spent trying to help the kids set up their wing cars, adjust controller sensitivity and pass along any other racing tips you can think of..


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:12 AM

Might be a good idea for racers to offer to help the offender get better instead of chastising him or her. Its all about growing the hobby isn't it?


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 12:00 PM

How do you define "excessive"?

 

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 12:16 PM

Indeed to know if I’m going to get black flagged.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:34 PM

I have raced in weekly events where a "crash-and-burn" format was used.  All controlled by the computerized race management system (not sure which one).  When someone de-slotted the power was turned off and the offending car removed.  There were a 2-3 planned stops during each heat where any de-slotted car was put back on. You had 15 seconds to put your car back on and get back to your driver station and then power resumed.  At most you'd miss about 45 seconds for each de-slot.  It seemed to "create" better driving and there would be fewer de-slots, also the racing was closer.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 02:21 PM

We have used the "crash & burn" approach when the group was so small that there were not enough marshals.  It was one of the options in the track management system we used.  Typically there were brief power-downs twice in a 3 minute heat.  Generally worked well although there are inevitably issues (and sometimes shouting) when a car, rather than going completely off, spins and blocks a lane.

 

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 02:26 PM

Excessive de-slotting = one more time than I come off. :D
 
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:05 PM

We ran crash and burn doing 24 one minute heats.  One on, one off.  No need for stickers since if you came off you weren't going back on that lane. As Ken Stevens said, if you came off you missed a part of a minute on the track,, so it taught driving discipline.  And the cars were left where they came off, which taught you to watch more than just the 8 inches where your car was at the moment.  When we first started doing it, I usually won by 15-20 laps.  Everyone quickly got smart and stayed on...the races were super close, and it always see-sawed back and forth.  It got rid of the "fast lap" mentality some people have.  And no marshals were yelled at!  LOL


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:34 PM

So I assume, if you get taken out, you're just a victim of bad luck and you sit out.

Correct?

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:36 PM

Speaking from experience....... It depends somewhat on the class you're running.  With wing cars, because they are faster and more temperamental, black flagging becomes necessary at times. Something as simple as a bent wing, missing pin or lead wire rubbing can render a car undriveable for any driver.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:29 PM

Deslotting has been around since slot cars were invented and will be around until when ever. The best system I have ever used (in my opinion) was a yellow light system on the track in Cordele Ga....when there was a deslot or a take out on another car, the track call was called , the race director hit the button and the voltage was cut in half, the slotted cars kept going and the turn marshals had plenty time to replace the deslotted car or cars, the only driver that lost track position was the cars that deslotted. Then at the count of three the voltage was resumed to normal . It seemed to please all.



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Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:50 PM

Correct Mike.   Rubbing is racing.  I found this crash-and-burn racing to keep you on your toes.  I would be on the look out for trouble ahead and to be careful passing slower cars or inexperienced drivers.  It also made it advantageous to communicate with drivers next to you when over taking them. 


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:17 PM

Some type of breakout rule might be better than crash and burn to slow people down, though it would need to be applied across the board so wont help MR Crash.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:20 PM

When I first opened , I did a race, 3 deslots and you're out for the rest of the heats.

 

After 2 legitimate deslots, there was a 3rd one that possibly was more the doing of another racer.

 

It created so much controversy, ill will, etc., it was the last time I ever did it that way.

 

What has worked out much better for me, when I do an IROC race, with the rental cars, is at a deslot, count off 1,000, 2,000, 3,000, before doing a track call.(or until another car is impeded by  deslotted car)


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:59 PM

Back in the day we raced in an interstore series where you ran 5 lap heats and if you fell off you were done for that heat. Major fights every race and every heat. My specially built heavy lotus 40 would make the other teams car de-slot when trying to nerf my car. Lol.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:35 PM

So I assume, if you get taken out, you're just a victim of bad luck and you sit out.

Correct?

Yup and I was a victim when leading the race when a guy hooked up wrong and slam. LOL

It is a fun format and does teach disciple for sure.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:41 PM

We raced crash and burn 15 lap heats, 24 heats, most number of heats won determined the winner. Last car on or the
first to 15 laps won the heat. It was a lot of fun and we always had 2 full tracks of cars.
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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:19 AM

Marshal your own and bring it back to the driver station. We call it the walk of shame.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 02:05 AM

This thread for me, Dale?  :give_rose:

 

My last two trips to Holly Hell, cost a Mossetti each.  :mad:   :sarcastic:

 

Still, a pretty inexpensive hobby compared to many others.  I recently heard slot cars are the least expensive form of racing?  


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 05:50 AM

I think turtle racing is cheaper.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:10 AM

Don't you mean cockroaches Tony?


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:12 AM

Tony, I thought you were developing a Florida lizard racing series - FLRS?   :laugh2:


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:18 AM

I Agree with Milkman



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 10:32 AM

Getting back to the original statements, I would be very careful about making the RULES too complicated or punitive!  Like Tim said, kids need to be taught and encouraged not told they are not allowed to race.  

 

Hey here's an idea: wire the track so that if your car comes off you get an electric shock through your controller. Sado-Maso Slotcar Racing could be the future of the sport!


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 10:52 AM

So I assume, if you get taken out, you're just a victim of bad luck and you sit out.

Correct?

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 12:17 PM

Excessive for me or you?......And just how many people are showing up for the beginners wing races anyways...... :laugh2:


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 02:45 PM

       Hopefully that is not the majority mentality.  That mentality is probably one of the main reasons our hobby suffers from attrition. Hard to get young guys or other old-goats involved or interested when veteran racers aren't willing to share their expertise. Not only in regards to improving driving skills but also in setting up competitive cars that handle better. I am no youngster but I've only been racing Retro for a little over 3 years.

       I have invested almost $4000.00 dollars in cars , parts , tools, pit-boxes etc. If it had not been for our local racers willingness to help me out I would have never spent that kind of money on the hobby.Now I am hooked and that makes me a continuous revenue stream. We all know once you are in you are in and you can never have enough race car parts or accessories. So invite a young guy and challenge him to beat you by teaching him the ins and outs. I have four sons and two nephews who say gee pops that's to easy and looks boring. All six are highly competitive  like me. A new season of racing starts in January here in Colorado and I issued a challenge to all six boys. "I will supply you with a car and a controller and if you can beat only me I'll cough up a $100. My angle i know these boys once they get a taste they will become "Slot Car Junkies" My point, invite some new racers and help them to get started and remember how many guys you pissed off when you started and don't be that guy!


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:42 PM

Once in a while a dad will show up with a couple boys.  We have generous practice time, about an hour before race start.  So, its every other lap of deslotting in practice, but the forlorn look on their faces if we start the race without them is not generally our policy.  One racer got out his slowest car.  Everyone is driving VERY cautiously.  I  look at it as missile dodging exercises.  Because we do crash and burn,  red lane racer becomes part time turn marshal as well as black lane racer.  There are no track calls.   Whoever avoids the most traffic wins and it has little to do with how fast your car is.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 05:44 AM

Just a  suggestion that has worked for me for years.

We run "kids" races 13 and under at lower voltage for anything NON flexi.

Flexi cars we run with the JK 25 motor with normal 12.8 volts, GTP/LMP bodies for what we call novice racers of any age 14 and up.

The normal flexi classes are separated into and "A" and "B" class. The "A" driver being experienced.

All participants if physically able to marshal will marshal.  

we run the "B" class first and the "A" class second.

Kids racing and novice racing is held on Friday night.

Te rest on saturday night or Sunday night.

FYI as to what has worked for me since 1992

 


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 08:53 PM

Just a  suggestion that has worked for me for years.

We run "kids" races 13 and under at lower voltage for anything NON flexi.

Flexi cars we run with the JK 25 motor with normal 12.8 volts, GTP/LMP bodies for what we call novice racers of any age 14 and up.

The normal flexi classes are separated into and "A" and "B" class. The "A" driver being experienced.

All participants if physically able to marshal will marshal.  

we run the "B" class first and the "A" class second.

Kids racing and novice racing is held on Friday night.

Te rest on saturday night or Sunday night.

FYI as to what has worked for me since 1992

 

When I first learn to race, we had a beginners or novice class. Crashes were many and unavoidable but fun because we were in the same boat. I can see when the novice has to race with the experience racers that the RACERS get upset about excessive deslotting. Form a novice race and if not enough racers - crash and burn. We tried using no marshals and as time went by, racers improved because they did not want to keep running to get their cars. Lap totals went up and deslots went down dramaticly. Bottom line, create an enviroment where kids can learn how to race!

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 08:19 PM

How do you define "excessive"?
 
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 10:03 PM

We solved this issue in the Florida Slot Car Series with our Group 1 and Group 2 driver designations. Beginners, etc. are placed in Group 2. At the weekly races, if you have enough entries, split up into 2 groups (A & B mains) or qualify.


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 08:02 AM

Even B-Main drivers don't deserve to have someone deslotting every 15 seconds.  It doesn't happen often but when it does, and when the driver is a child, it's difficult not to get frustrated at the parent and track owner for allowing it to continue.  The race becomes sixteen minutes of gritting your teeth and then more time repairing crash damage.

 

Obviously we want to encourage children to enjoy the hobby with us, but teaching self control and responsibility and consideration of others is also important.


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 09:21 AM

Looks like I can never race with you guys. Lol


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 09:39 AM

More than three times in one heat.

 

Is that a 2 min heat or a 5..........or 15 min enduro heat?

 

Looks like I can never race with you guys. Lol


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 10:50 AM

In some raes I have seen, especially one semi-pro race at BPR, if there was a 3-deslot rule the race would have ended 30 seconds into each heat. The winning lap total would have been something like 27.


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 11:43 AM

So, I will chime in since my kid was one of those. Did not like to listen to dad but wanted to go race with dad and the rest of the group. His car was geared lower to help .That only did so much. During one race, he did not slow enough for a turn every other lap, so he had his car pulled for the rest of the heat. He was mad but the owner was happy he was mad, it meant he cared about what he was doing, just not doing it well. The newer guys need to learn how to race and practice does not teach that. A person can run a 1000 laps alone on a track but fall off as soon as a race starts. Racing with problem racers can be trying and we yell and carry on, but we were there once. Think of it as a reason to dial in some choke and think ahead of the car. That is the current thought process I am trying to put into my son's head now. But at 12, he still has a bit of the squirrel mentality.


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 11:46 AM

Oh, and when racing retro by the rules above I would never finish a heat. But I can now get out of the D main. It just took time.


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 12:21 PM

I used to love to help kids learn how to drive and race a slot car. Sometimes the parent is coaching and screaming at the kid so much the kid gets flustered.I helped a 10 year old kid one time.I asked the father if he wouldn't mind me teaching his son. It was a flexi car and the kid raced weekly in the kids race,he always finished last.I took his car around the track at a slow pace and explained where to let off the trigger and when to press the trigger.I also told him to let off the trigger fully so the brakes would work .Then I drove harder and picked up the pace.Next I told him to put his hand over my hand as I drove his car.This way he could feel exactly how I was pressing the trigger and when. We went around the track for at least 50 laps and then I handed him the controller.He continued to drive just like I showed him. 10 minutes later his kids race started.He won the race and everyone cheered.It was pretty cool.


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 12:50 PM

I also told him to let off the trigger fully so the brakes would work .

That's the hardest thing to get through a new racer's head, be it kid or adult.

 

To take advantage of the dynamic brakes.

 

Some will listen, and do.

 

Some will listen, and won't.

 

Some will listen, and do for awhile, and then revert back to their "better" way. LOL


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Posted 22 December 2017 - 11:22 PM

How many of us were that kid once upon a time?  I'm willing to bet we all were. 

 

Luckily, we made it through and continue to enjoy partaking in this wonderful little hobby we all love so much.

 

Hopefully, this little boy will do the same.  That's the future of our hobby.


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Posted 23 December 2017 - 02:23 AM

This reminds of the time some kid told his dad he needed a faster motor. I said no, you need to practice staying on the track & not fall off so much. He blinked his eyes twice & told his dad he needed a faster motor.  Sometimes stupid is what stupid does.


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Posted 23 December 2017 - 08:14 PM

So you just thought it best to tell him that and leave it at that?  Didn't bother to take a little of your time and maybe try to work with him on what he could do to help keep it in the slot?

 

Wow, yet another example of why participation in this hobby continues to decline.

 

As far as your comment "sometimes stupid is what stupid does".  The kid wasn't stupid, he simply didn't know any better.  Now, if the father put a faster motor in the kids car like he wanted, then yes that was stupid on the dads part. lol


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Posted 23 December 2017 - 09:27 PM

Terry, that's a very rude comment to team burrito.

I'd suggest you re-think it. You want a guy to go over a Dad's relationship with his Son and try to "fix" something?

It won't work and in fact can get you in trouble. Even if you are "right".

 

Plus, if nobody else reads the blog enough or remembers enough to know, I do:

the only posts you ever make are "this is what's wrong with our hobby" type stuff.

 

You've never started a thread, you've never started a tutorial, or a build thread.

Or even offered tips for newbies. Not one single time.

 

But every time you find an opportunity to say "this is why our hobby isn't growing"

you jump on it like a flea onto a stray dog.

 

I read you like a book. Why don't you try helping the hobby here, instead of complaining about it every chance you get?

 

You probably will disagree with that, but you go ahead and get between a father and his son, see how that turns out for you, and post the results.

 

team burrito tried to help the kid but had enough smarts to know when to not stick his nose where it wouldn't help. You owe him an apology.

But I'm not your Dad so I can't make you do it. If I was, I would.


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Posted 23 December 2017 - 09:56 PM

This is a familiar problem with a few of our racers and it comes down to guys (adults) that know how the controller works and  they still over drive the track and de-slot.   We continue to tell them that maybe they should brake a little sooner and drive to their car, lane and driving ability and not get carried away trying to watch the  guy next to them and pass him in the first turn.   


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Posted 24 December 2017 - 02:09 AM

team burrito tried to help the kid but had enough smarts to know when to not stick his nose where it wouldn't help. You owe him an apology.

But I'm not your Dad so I can't make you do it. If I was, I would.

I've done this long enough to know if they're willing to listen or not. I've helped lots of people & showed them how to maintain their cars, but kids have a real short attention span. some adults are the same way. I did a couple of scratch building sessions & nobody picked up anything. don't think I haven't tried, but some people are not willing to learn. what have you done, Terry?


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Posted 24 December 2017 - 10:54 AM

You got me Russ...  I've never done anything to help the hobby grow.  I'm just a self centered ***hole.

 

Just ask Pablo, apparently, he's read me like a book.

 

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all!!!


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Posted 24 December 2017 - 11:36 AM

love & kisses, terry. see you next year. btw: you gonna be at the nats at frank's?


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