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#1 Brinkley47

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 03:19 PM

New total lap record and new lane record for all eight lanes today at MMW in OH. The new batch of PSFKs work amazing. This is what happens when a company improves their product.

23 entries today for BRS (PSFK) - new records across the board.
23 entries last week for ORS (retro hawk) - half a second slower than the record.

I am usually not the smartest guy in the room. However, I feel like this should be a sign for all Retro racers.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 04:58 PM

Well a $45 motor should be more consistent than a $13 motor.  But that's not the whole story--I'm sure there will be plenty of discussion.  But I still prefer the sealed "no touch" motors to race Retro with.  When I want a "build em" class--I race Retro Pro!  :)


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 05:13 PM

Tim,

 

The PSFK is $14. The 4002B or Puppy Dog was $45. 

 

It is a completely different motor than the JKHR so direct comparisons are sketchy to say the least. Track records are broken due to many variables and to say it was all the motor is being generous. IRRA® track records fall all the time with the same JKHR motor and even with the so called inferior 7R7R7R. 

 

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What are the improvements that were made to the PSFK?


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 05:50 PM

Let's not forget that the PSFK motor is as easily modified for additional speed as the Puppy Dog motor.
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 06:16 PM

Gary: what mods to get additional speed?


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 06:27 PM

Brushes and springs and hood alignment are all you can change on the PSFK motor. They are sealed so you can't remove the endbell! I do like the fact that they use regular 36D size brushes and you can replace them. You don't have to chuck your best motor because a tiny nub of a brush has gone away!


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 06:31 PM

I would like to know how and if this so called greatly improved PSFK 'new batch' is distinguished from the previous batch.

 

Doc,

 

Just go look at any one of the dozens of motor discussions about the PSPD (4002B/BB). Or about any of the traditional motors with seals. Any or all of the shenanigans,real and perceived, that went on with those motors are possible with the PSFK. Especially the one about the well-known motor builder who supplied cheater motors for a sealed Parma 502 class. Just sayin'.  :whistle3:    


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 06:42 PM

The only thing new on the PSFK is the tied comm. I would still run my older PSFK against them. For $13.95 a much better chance at a good motor right now.

 

Sam, do you own a fertilizer company? Because you sure like to spread it by bringing up the bad in the old instead of looking for the good in the new. 

 

As you said, Just sayin'.

 

Jason

 

PS: These are great little motors by the way.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 06:44 PM

I don't see anything on the Pro Slot site about an "improved" PSFK. But I'll take a few if someone cares to explain the differences.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 06:52 PM

They tied the comm and glued the fabric in place.
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 07:02 PM

Will,

Are you guys trimming the brush faces for reduced overlap?
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 07:06 PM

Here we go again. 


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 07:14 PM

Sam ,do you own a Fertilizer Company? Because you sure like to spread it by bringing up the bad in the  old instead of looking for the Good in the new

 

By fertilizer I assume you mean BS. None of what I said is BS. I was just answering a question by pointing in the direction of hundreds of posts about all these types of sealed motors.
 
BTW, I like conventional motors, too. Even sealed ones. I just don't think disparaging another manufacturer was necessary. Saying that PSFKs were now being produced with tied comms. and set new records would have been sufficient. But we all know what (and who) this is really about.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 07:19 PM

Thanks, Sam. When I looked on the website, it said "new" FK and it had the $45 dollar version. I did not see one at $13.  

 

But if they have one that is sealed up with no access to the brush's and springs, I'd be interested!   :)


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 10:43 PM

23 entries last week for ORS (retro hawk) - half a second slower than the record.

 

Half a second slower than the record?

 

From Bill Fulmer's race report, last week:

 

Can-Am TQ went to Will Custer at 4.172.

F1 TQ Will Custer again 4.326.

 

Please point to the MMW race, with a Retro Hawk, where TQ in Can-Am was 3.672 or faster.

And 3.826, or faster, with an F1.

 

Has a Retro Hawk ever gone  3.672, on any Gerding King, let alone Mark's somewhat flat one?


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:43 PM

Hey, Greg, are the MMW race results hidden in the ORS forum? I don't see them.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:45 PM

I had a hard time finding them also.

They are in race announcements.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:46 PM

Thanks, Mike!


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 12:02 AM

No problem, Cap.

Do you ever remember a 3.6 at MMW with a Retro Hawk?

Any idea how fast they went today with the new Pro Slot?


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 12:12 AM

Hey, Greg, are the MMW race results hidden in the ORS forum? I don't see them.


Cap, I can't control who posts race results here or elsewhere, as much as I would like to do so.

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 12:43 AM

New total lap record and new lane record for all eight lanes today at MMW in OH. The new batch of PSFKs work amazing. This is what happens when a company improves their product.


Will,

The central issue is what do you wish to see accomplished.

Is faster always better?

Do you have any concerns about whether or not the the 1/24 commercial racing hobby survives, achieves some sort of stabilty, and perhaps even finds a modicum of growth?

That's the difference between my viewpoint and the viewpoint of so many people who participate in this niche leisure-time activity: whether it's just about them and their personal sucesses/failures or if it about the condition and future of the overall hobby.

Looking at other hobbies, I find 1/24 slot racing is incredibly devoid of any altruistic feelings regarding the activity itself and I wonder why that is the case. Perhaps you can relate your feelings about this.
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Posted 17 December 2017 - 04:10 AM

According to a FB post the F1 Retro hawk record was 4.162, Can Am wasnt mentioned.

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 07:14 AM

I checked the Pro-Slot web site ( https://proslot.com/ ) but couldn't find anything about these new improved PS4002FKs. Is the only improvement a tied comm.? Why would this increase speed? Reliability, Yes. Speed?

 

Correction...It is $14.95 retail, not $14. A lot of motor for the money.   


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 07:26 AM

Especially the one about the well-known motor builder who supplied cheater motors for a sealed Parma 502 class. Just sayin'.  :whistle3:    

 

This is a major issue that no one even thinks about or talks about.


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 07:29 AM

According to a FB post the F1 Retro hawk record was 4.162, Can Am wasnt mentioned.

 

The Retro F1 record is 4.03 for a PSFK.
Hawk F1 is 4.16.
All the records at Mark's were run with a older Hawk. The 7R qualified okay. I TQ'd both last weekend 4.17 with Can-Am, 4.3 with F1.
This week Greg Fox TQ'd both classes at BRS and Can-Am was 3.95, F1 was 4.07.

The 7R isn't in the same ballpark.


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