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[Cheater]

Another great video from Petrolicious.

 

[JK Products]

Nice "nostalgic" video.

 

I do not really enjoy driving my 911 much on public roads. It's so far from the limit it's not challenging or sensory grabbing. Sure it's better than driving a beater, but really driving for me can only be done on the track. Pushing almost any car near the limit on public roads is not safe and I won't do it. 

 

Here's what I like.

[Dave Crevie]

I agree, Tim. The video of the Singer car on a narrow, tree lined road is a good example of what is not smart practice. With the great number of vintage racing events and track days available, there really is no reason to

take the risk.

 

I like your video of Road America, certainly driving a 11/10ths. But still far safer than zooming around on a dark public road. 

[James Wendel]

Beautiful country roads... looks like deer country.

[MSwiss]

Singer's are awesome.

 

Quite a few of guys, who get to drive one, say it's the most enjoyable car, they have ever driven.

 

The best part of them was touched upon in the last part of the video. They have zero historical value, so you can drive the sh*t out of them without worrying about putting on too many miles, or damaging a museum piece.

 

Guys argue against the Singer because it's not authentic, and for the money spent, $400K+, they would sooner have an authentic 73RS.

 

I doubt many, if anyone, is using a real 73RS, as a daily driver, or even a frequent driver.

 

And isn't that what cars are for?

[JK Products]

I like your video of Road America, certainly driving a 11/10ths.

 
I never dropped any wheels off ... 10/10ths at most in spots. And I left a whole lot on the table in the kink. 

[Dave Crevie]

Well, I heard a lot of tire squeal, Tim. I know, as I am sure you do, that driving a 911 at the threashold takes some real skill. They like to go from understeer to oversteer in a heartbeat. My 914/6 is much more neutral.

Brian Redman refers to "the kink" as "heart attack corner." 

By the way, at what event was that video taken?

[JK Products]

Damn cheap tires LOL. The LED tree on the left is real time tire temps. The stack on the right, brake rotor temps.

It was a cold day and RA is huge so no brake issues on that track. Corvette Club in late fall I think. And oh yes, I've chased the tail of my car on a number of occasions.

[Dave Crevie]

Do you belong to PCA? They run several track events at R/A and that club track in Joliet. More track time = more fun.
 
R/A does give brakes more time to cool. Unless you have small brakes like a couple of my cars have.

[Cheater]

The video was made at a PCA event at R/A, so I assume Tim is a member.

[Dave Crevie]

I think he said in post 8 it was a Corvette club event. The reason I asked was I didn't see any other cars until

he got to Canada Corner, and it was too far ahead to make out what it was. By the time he got to the flagman's

bridge he was closer, but it didn't look like a Porsche. At the PCA events the track is usually pretty crowded, it

is pretty hard to make a lap without seeing other cars. 

[JK Products]

I was a member of PCA and had my own permanent number 484. I haven't raced in quite a few years. I think that was a Corvette club event but it could have been PCA. I had the goal of breaking 2:30 and did it. I was at the front of that session and came up on a car to lap near the end. 

[993]

At the Thermal club, Private pavement on a fun track day in the 911.

My big car control breakthrough came when I learned how to left foot brake.

74 RSR+ in the livery of the 79 Sebring 12 hour winner.

 

Fwiw the orange 911 start of video is Chad McQueen tracking his old 911.

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[993]

Guys argue against the Singer because it's not authentic, and for the money spent, $400K+, they would sooner have an authentic 73RS.

 

 

 

Singer is closer to $600k and a real 73 RS closer to a million now.

 

Still a great cult following of the air cooled Porsches.

Pat Long holds an air cooled 911 gathering once a year in So cal.

http://www.roadandtr...ekuhlt-in-2017/

 

My old work car was an 86 Turbo look,.

We had it restored to stock (except seats, stock seats in storage).

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[spudboy]

Petrolicious is awesome.  Thanks Cheater.

[Tom Eatherly]

Damn, those are nice! Dreamt I had one of those 911's. Then I woke up, still had my Chevy P/U! Dang it!

[MSwiss]

When in Hinsdale, about 5-7 minutes from the raceway, I try to drive by the owner of WeatherTech's, house, hoping his Singer might be in his front, circular driveway.

No luck so far.

[Jay Guard]

It's not exactly my "daily driver", but I do drive my 1979 911SC fairly often now that a new clutch and a serious tune-up got it running great again.  This car has seen quite a bit of serious running to include laps on Germany's Nurburgring (Long Course), a ton of Autobahn time, and more PCA-Germany Region Slalom events than I can count. It's pretty much stock except for the Whale Tail and Recaro seats but Luis Ruf did do a bit of tuning to it when I had it at his shop for a little "work".

 

[993]

It's not exactly my "daily driver", but I do drive my 1979 911SC fairly often now that a new clutch and a serious tune-up got it running great again.  This car has seen quite a bit of serious running to include laps on Germany's Nurburgring (Long Course), a ton of Autobahn time, and more PCA-Germany Region Slalom events than I can count. It's pretty much stock except for the Whale Tail and Recaro seats but Luis Ruf did do a bit of tuning to it when I had it at his shop for a little "work".

 

Jay what color is your 911?

I'd like a Steve McQueen grey 911 someday.

And is PCA active in Europe now?

Years ago there were issues and PCA had decided not to expand to Europe.

 

I like the Singer for under 100k, at 500k plus you can have your choice of many fine more powerful sports cars.

It's a status car something for the cars and coffee crowd.

The Singers are just a modified early 90s 964.

I'd add some of that gingerbread to a 964 for 80k and save 400k. 

 

As recent as 10 years ago before the prices skyrocketed you could buy and modify an aircooled 911, track it and have fun for cheap.

Now days a nice 70 911S can be worth 200k, I'd never pay that much for less than 200hp. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MSwiss]

Of course the Singer is crazy expensive, but if it was possible to make the equivalent for $100K, someone would be doing it, charging $120k-150k, and have a line of people waiting for them, 3-5 times longer than Singer's.

[993]

Of course the Singer is crazy expensive, but if it was possible to make the equivalent for $100K, someone would be doing it, charging $120k-150k, and have a line of people waiting for them, 3-5 times longer than Singer's.

 

You made my point thank you.

That is what the smart 911 owners that want the Singer look have been doing on 911 forums.

Recreating the singer look and saving money.

Not my cup of tea to copy a Singer.

 

Same as slot cars...you can buy the completed brass chassis for $150 or buy the brass and build your own slot car.

 

Be real its at its base it still is just a 964 with a 300 hp engine or optional more expensive powerful engines.

 

I'd rather rock a GT2 at Road America any day....

[993]

Brian Redman refers to "the kink" as "heart attack corner." 
 

 

fwiw Pat Long told me the Kink was his least favorite corner of any track he has ever raced on.

[MSwiss]

You made my point thank you.
That is what the smart 911 owners that want the Singer look have been doing on 911 forums.
Recreating the singer look and saving money.
Not my cup of tea to copy a Singer.
 
Same as slot cars...you can buy the completed brass chassis for $150 or buy the brass and build your own slot car.
 
Be real its at its base it still is just a 964 with a 300 hp engine or optional more expensive powerful engines.
 
I'd rather rock a GT2 at Road America any day....

Every one I ever read a review on, has had 360-400 hp.

And despite not supercar HP #'s, a good portion of the reviews tout it as the most enjoyable car they have ever driven.

As Chris Harris says below, it's not marketed as a track car.

And even if it was, how could it possibly compete with a more modern Porsche, like a GT2?

It's a rich guy, canyon carver.

That's the point of the original post.

This particular rich guy, seems to be driving the sh*t, out of his.

The fact it has a stick, and is only available with a stick, IMO, says a lot.

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=fJQ4hQSusjE

[993]

Mike I much more enjoyed watching your RA video over the sappy Singer owner drooling over his overpriced 964.

 

I know its no where close to a purpose built race car. lol

 

My 911 mechanic built the Singer engines for years, I've had dinner and a track time with Rob the owner of Singer.

All great guys and friends.

 

This video is so much a marketing tool.

It's art

I dont care if it depreciates

Drive it anywhere

dead mans car keep it forever

rambles off typical 964 qualities like its a new find.

Blindfold him and give him a ride in a 964 he wont know one from the other lol

[Dave Crevie]

The real problem here, at least as I see it, is that those cars are too often purchased by drivers who can afford them,

but shouldn't have them. And the guys that should have them, can't afford them. Years ago, one of my racing buddies,

Dan Bacin, had John Bolander (God rest his soul) build him a 911 that was a real track star. At one track event, a guy

showed up with a Ruf slant nose, and Dan consistantly ran lap times ten seconds faster than the Ruf. As I watched, I

don't think the Ruf driver ever hit an apex correctly. Dan was a good driver, and I often enlisted his help when I was 

chairing the vintage driver's schools. All the Ruf driver had was a lot of money. 

 

By the way, I like the "kink". I liked it best when driving the Genie. A lot of horsepower in an archaic chassis. Really

helped me to make my peace with God.