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#1 Steve Deiters

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 09:29 AM

Lots of talk and opinions on these motors these days. 

 

It got me thinking in the spirit of slot racing from the days of the '60's.  There have to be thousands of these motors that have either lived out their service life out in racing, have been set aside as not competitive, or the owners have moved on to other classes or just bought more motors. 

 

What about a second life for these motors?  How about re-building them just to see if it can be done and have something to run?  You know...like way back when... 

 

What over the counter end bells or end bell kits could be used with this can?  What modifications would be needed if any?

 

What over the counter armatures could be used as a low cost replacement or maybe even a hotter armature?  Before anyone says anything...yes...I know it would not be cost effective.  The idea is to re-build something so it is up and running again.  Put it in a car and make it go as fast as it can and have some fun and most importantly the satisfaction in just doing that.

 

For the more daring "back the basics" people how about taking the old arm out of the can, strip the wire, install a new comm, and wind their own ala John H. who has committed himself to resurrecting inanimate slot racing motors back to life. Sources for comms?  Source for static balancer?  Recommendations for armature epoxy.  Winding techniques. (I still have my LaGanke crank.)  Comm tieing materials.

 

I think I covered everything, but maybe not.  Feel free to add to the list.

 

This post is NOT intended to add fuel to the current controversy nor is it remotely a suggestion of an additional class or variation of an existing class.  It's an effort to take a "retro" look at what was done as a matter of course back in the day.  At best we do some things that were done in the early days all the time or at worst saving some motors from a landfill.  The side effect, for those that choose to give it a try, you might find out it is something new, interesting, and fun.  Really there is nothing to lose.

 

Looking forward  to hearing the parts resources and observations in general.






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Posted 28 December 2017 - 09:36 AM

I built a custom from a hawk7. It ran great but was too much work.

Guy has it now. Maybe he can post pics?

Used a proslot C can endbell I turned down and c can magnets.
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Posted 28 December 2017 - 09:47 AM

John has been doing these up for a while now. Here is just one....

http://slotblog.net/...etter-fk-motor/


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 12:10 PM

Funny you should bring up all of this, Steve...

 

Lately, I've gotten kinda' tired of all the drama going on in slots right now, over a variety of things. So I stepped back a little and asked myself; 'Self, ya' like the slot cars, don't ya? What do you want to do with the slot cars?'

 

So I stepped waaaayyyy back and have started building some frames kinda' like I used to build decades ago. I've had to make adaptations due to lack of original style pieces/parts (a LOT of people blew me off when I went asking about leftover drop arms) but I've already built around a half dozen different styles, all not legal for nuthin' and going to use those bodies about which I posted a short while back.

 

But I keep wondering what kind of motors I was going to use. So I also started wondering 'whatever happened to all those leftover 'C' cans from Mura and Champion'. I actually miss the days when you would rework a motor to some unearthly hour of the night, cram it into your chassis du jour and slap a pair of Fresh Cuts on the thing and go racing---also armed with some bottles of Lotion or Stick-It.

 

I been considering the Retro Hawk 6 as an alternative. Anyone have any opinions of that motor and could recommend gearing?


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 12:31 PM

 
I been considering the Retro Hawk 6 as an alternative. Anyone have any opinions of that motor and could recommend gearing?


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 12:36 PM

Hawk 6.


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 01:14 PM

With 3D printing someone could make an endbell to fit these motors.


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 01:32 PM

Source the RH original endbell, source the original armature.
Do a custom balance and comm cut.
There you go, a blueprinted motor
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Posted 28 December 2017 - 01:40 PM

Easy to modify the end bell in a lathe as the recess is round.  Lots of the 4002 style motors WITH STICKERS in the garbage cans.  Pull them out, cut com & put back together. 

Remember "a sticker don't make a motor legal".


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 09:53 AM

Hey Jim!

 

    Two interesting motors to consider. Blueprinted hawk from Alpha ,arm epoxied, cut and balanced 25.00. PS new GP. 12 , c can size lighter than a falcon, 38.00 .


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