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#1 Ralph Thorne

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 03:54 PM

I apologize in advance if this has been covered in advance but...
 
After last weeks BTL show I have recently become captivated with American Raceway history. Today, 25 years later I leaned the first track I ever raced on in the early 90's was an American Orange. Here, in Georgia we have one Queen and two Royals in storage that I know of, possibly others.
 
Does anyone know what the oldest surviving American Raceway (track) might be?
 
If you have an American Raceway (track), in storage or running, what year was it built, where is it and what do you have? Do you have any history or original documentation such as invoices or a track number?




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Posted 29 December 2017 - 04:02 PM

Unless there is an obscure one in some small town, where the owner avoids the internet, it seems like it would be an easy answer.

 

Buzzy's.


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 04:17 PM

Prejudicially speaking, original American tracks over 50 years old are a dime a dozen, they were built for the ages; Englemans are what's scarce.   :laugh2:

 

Buzzy could be the only owner that bought his tracks directly from AMCR.


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 04:26 PM

AFAIK Buzzy's Orange and Yellow were bought in 1965.

 

We have an original 220' Engleman here is storage as well, very fun track, it was operational until 2009ish?



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Posted 29 December 2017 - 04:28 PM

It's either Buzzy's or Modelville Hobby. Modelville had their 50th anniversary last year I think.

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 04:46 PM

Certainly not an old raceway but the last Red I raced on was in the early 90's at Richards Raceway in Johnstown, PA.  He also had a Hasse king. Not sure where they ended up.

 

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 05:19 PM

Ralph Who has the 220 Engleman?


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 05:26 PM

John Forrester purchased it from Larry and Tina Black. He also has an American Queen and Royal AFAIK.



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Posted 29 December 2017 - 05:52 PM

It's either Buzzy's or Modelville Hobby. Modelville had their 50th anniversary last year I think.

Buzzy's opened in 1965, so it's at 52+ years and I am guessing is still using some of it's original tracks from then.

 

Did any of Modelville's American tracks run the whole 50 years?


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 05:59 PM

Surely there's a an American Raceway (track or tracks) that were made pre 1965 somewhere in operation.

Im not necessarily looking for the longest running raceway.

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 06:10 PM

So you're looking for the oldest running American Raceways track?

 

Were they dated somewhere underneath?

 

Can they be retopped?


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 06:12 PM

Buzzy's opened in 1965, so it's at 52+ years and I am guessing is still using some of it's original tracks from then.

 

Did any of Modelville's American tracks run the whole 50 years?

 Unfortunately no.  The oldest track they have now is the modified figure 8 which is about 25 years old.


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 06:17 PM

So you're looking for the oldest running American Raceways track?
 
Were they dated somewhere underneath?
 
Can they be retopped?


They referred to their individual tracks as an "American Raceway", sorta confusing, my apologies on not being more clear.

All original or retopped. Most tracks seem to numbered. A few people like Matt Sheldon and Mike McMasters still have the original American invoices.

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 06:39 PM

Done.

 

Yes, it was confusing, but to think of it , I do seem to remember where they refer to the track as the "raceway", in the how to/suggestion manual.

 

"Clean each lane of your American Raceway, every day, before opening".

 

Right. I'll get right on it. LOL


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 09:52 PM

Ralph, the Queen in Georgia is not an AMCR track:

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And this is my last compilation on the number of AMCR tracks left. I REALLY need ot update it! :D

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This info came from THIS thread.


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 10:16 PM

Thanks for the info and link, Mike.

The previous owner I spoke to claimed it was an AMCR track, minus the legs which were not there when they bought the track. It came from Florida, and Ron said he ran on the track in Florida and it was an AMCR track. But hey who knows...

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 10:19 PM

I just bought a lotto ticket (only buy when it's above $250 million). When I win the lottery I will be in the market for an original American track. Thanks for this list above... but then maybe the secret warehouse full of late 1960s slot car tracks and merchandise will reveal itself to me.... :laugh2:


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 11:46 PM

If the question is: what is the oldest..... (anything)... in slot cars?

 

The answer almost always is: Buzzy or Buzzy's

 

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 11:56 PM

I believe that there is a Regal (or Royal) in Quakertown PA.  The next time i see the owner of the facility, I'll see if I can get him to check for any dates or other info on the underside.

 

Not an AMCR, but there is what may be the only surviving Altech at Trains and Lanes. I have never heard of another one existing anywhere.


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 07:52 AM

John, I haven't either. I don't think they made tracks for more then 1 or 2 years.

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 08:53 AM

If the question is: what is the oldest..... (anything)... in slot cars?

 

The answer almost always is: Buzzy or Buzzy's

 

Cheers

Just till recently Buzz and his wife would run marathons.

 

Buzzy's tracks were resurfaced by Hasse.


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 10:44 AM

Ralph, IIRC, they were a subsidiary of Engleman tracks.  I'll have to check in my Car Model magazine collection to see if I can confirm that.


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 10:48 AM

Stan Engleman worked for Altec before venturing on his own.

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:14 AM

The AMF Royal in Bordo dates from around 1969, I think originally in a bowling alley or something like that. The Bordo club recovered it when it got started in 1979 and had it resurfaced about 20 years ago. Maybe the oldest AMF/American track in Europe? 

 

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 12:04 PM

Stan Engleman worked for Altec before venturing on his own.

So I came across the ads in Car Model.  I had a hard time finding them because they were listed in the advertiser's directory as "Hi-Speed".  The ads read Stan Engeman- Hi Speed.  He also bills himself as the first commercial track builder in the country. 


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 02:08 PM

The American Regal that you show in Illinois is mine and it is in storage.  I have tracked the orgin date to 1964.  Ralph do the Royals that are in storage in Georgia have flat straights or do they have humps in them?



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 02:29 PM

Jeff, I've only raced on and seen one of them, and honestly I don't recall.

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 12:15 AM

There is an Orange in operation and a Yellow in storage in Blounts Creek, NC. Thunder Road Raceway and Hobbies. And as far as I know, Lonny Getso in TX still has the Orange in storage and for sale that I used to own. IIRC, it had an ink stamp on the bottom of one of the sections that said "May 1965" "Model 100".


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 02:51 AM

Ralph, the Engleman style track that I have in storage is a Revell 310 that has been shortened to 230ft sometime over the years, originally from Sacramento, California and built in 1967.  I did extensive research several years back with several West Coast racers from that era who raced on the track.  As far as the figure 8 goes, if it is an American Queen it has been heavily rebuilt including the floor, risers and surface.  Having come from Florida, this could be a possibility.  Eddie Cordle, who I purchased it from claims it is an American Queen built in 1963.  It does have the same footprint.  The American 90ft Regal is stamped 1965.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 06:48 AM

Just till recently Buzz and his wife would run marathons.

 

Buzzy's tracks were resurfaced by Hasse.

I was at Buzzrama this weekend (for maybe the third or fourth time in my life) Buzz & Dolores looked great. 

The place was busy. 


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:02 AM

There is an American Orange in operation in  Radcliff, Kentucky.   It is the old track from Bullitt Speedway.


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Posted Yesterday, 11:45 AM

Hello, I guess the question is not which is the oldest Raceway but the oldest American track (still in operation). Modelville got it's certificate to open from the town of Framingham on April 14, 1965. So it is 53 years old. I am sure Buzzy is somewhere around that time.  While we have three original tracks......Sovereign, Royal & Aristocrat only the Purple Mile has not been re-topped. So on your list the Hillclimb (Aristocrat) at the Race Place(NJ) is here and restored to pristine condition.

 

Considering that Buzzy's tracks have all been re-topped I would submit that our Sovereign is the oldest original track running today. When it arrived from storage from Texas it was in original finish. It was reassembled and the surface is all original. Since it was only run for a relatively short time at Playland and Belaire Raceway it was in perfect condition. As you will see it was installed on 6/21/65 at Playland just in time for the raceway to open on the Four of July in 1965. It was the first and the only one in existence. All we did was epoxy paint and install new braid. It is a marvel that it even exists given how particle board decays.

 

 

 

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Posted Yesterday, 12:02 PM

Thanks Peter for the oldest original surface operating track.!


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Posted Yesterday, 11:35 PM

The Steve Page ROYAL in Illinois referred to was sold by Ebay auction to Peter Lentros along with the reconditioned JK MTT.  I was the rehabber and worked on getting them both running well.  The Royal was redecked with the humps shimmed out before we got it - possibly by Hasse.

 

Too bad the location and other 'support' did not work out.

 

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