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#1 jimht

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 02:53 PM

I'm curious as to whether a sort of standard has developed regarding track prep for Retro racing.

I'd like some feedback regarding what's been done:

 

Type and amount of glue applied and the method.

 

Type of track and voltage.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 04:04 PM

Hi Jim

 

Of course you know I've been participating in the retro racing in TX the last  9 - 10 years and the track prep and voltage have been very consistent among the tracks we've aced on.  Spray glue is the norm using light or medium glue mixed with Coleman fuel - I think one bottle of glue mixed in a quart of Coleman.  Just the corners are spray glued lightly and usually run in before race time - additional glue is added if needed.  Very similar to what you do for the Texas Scale Series races. Its very unusual to be bogged or very loose.  Voltage has not been over done - usually around 13v.  I know at Dallas's RETRO events the voltage is 13.1v.  ---  In my opinion voltage should be kept in this range or lower !2 - 13v as it limits the difference between motors and keeps the racing closer compared to running at 14+ volts.  At the Dallas raceway (Dallas Slot Cars - DSC) burning up a motor is very rare (RETRO rules specify the PSFK fr F1 and Can Am, Retro Pro uses the PS Big Dog motor).


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 04:46 PM

Up here in Retro East land the tracks all went to a standard prep about a year ago.  Slightly tackier than previous so everyone switched from Kelly Retro tires to Thunder/Wonder rubber.  The lap times are faster because of it, but with the harder tires they last longer. win-win...


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 06:03 PM

Excellent question.



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Posted 03 January 2018 - 06:47 PM

I "think" we've also used 2 oz. Champion light with 12 oz. naptha.... mix well, spray a light mist in the corners(maybe a foot or so going in/out also)... let it get tacky(20 minutes or so).... run it in.... apply more if needed. I think we didn't have Champion light down at Lonny's once in Waxahachie, had to use some brand of medium glue, got STUCK..... couldn't wipe it up enough.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 07:05 PM

Thanks to those who've responded so far.

 

John Streisguth:

 

Do you know the particulars of what the Retro East standard prep is or is Noose handling that?


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 07:19 PM

I've had great luck the last few years with 1-Koford Medium w/ 12 oz. naphtha.

 

After setting records at the Sano, in all the classes(granted, first year with the new Red Fox guide helped... (and Willy), I finally cleaned the track, the day after Christmas, and the next day we broke the GTP and Group F records on fresh spray.

 

I contend the naphtha available recently, in this area, has been exceptional.

 

It's Kleen Strip brand, VM & P  naphtha.

 

That all said, I'm under the impression Tom Thumb, and the Retro East tracks, have been using Go Fast glue, to make the spray they are using.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 08:08 PM

Yes, the tracks are using Go Fast and all doing it the same.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:02 PM

This might be apples and oranges, though. DSC runs RETRO rules meaning PSFK with mandatory 8 tooth pinion. I believe our motor has more torques than the Retro Hawk motor.


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Posted 04 January 2018 - 09:30 PM

Noose, isn't the standard glue for Retro East Go Fast Mr. Sticky's Round Track Glue, super stickey?


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Posted 05 January 2018 - 09:56 AM

I use the Go Fast glue too and really like it

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 11:45 AM

Thanks again for the responses.

 

Is the Go Fast Super Sticky glue comparable to Camen or Koford Brown or what?

 

And, how much is used?


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Posted 05 January 2018 - 12:33 PM

Mr Sticky lasts way longer before turning to slime. I was unable to get Carmen Brown several years ago and out of desperation used the Go Fast stuff. At that years R4 wonder rubber worked for the first time ever and most said the bite lasted all weekend. Other tracks must have seen the same thing because within about a year everyone seems to be using it. The unfortunate thing is that Tracy is currently not making any more. At least according to my distributor. As far as mixture I’ll have to get back with you on that. I put 3 bottles in a container and add Naptha. No idea how many ounces. Just fill to the line I drew on it 30 years ago. I’ll measure and post if you want.


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Posted 05 January 2018 - 04:16 PM

Thanks, Mike but the mixture is not relevant...enough to make it spray, I'm sure.

 

Do you spray all 3 bottles in the corners at once or do you respray as necessary?


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Posted 05 January 2018 - 05:09 PM

The mixture I mentioned is good for about 3 treatments. And I never respray the track unless it is re-cleaned. Plus I leave the mixture in the can for at least 3 days before use.


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Posted 05 January 2018 - 07:36 PM

Go Fast Super Sticky is no more available.
What would be good to substitute for it?
How about Camen Brown(Heavy)?
We have been using Koford Medium for Retro on my Gerding King for many years.

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 07:55 PM

Haruki,
How much naptha are you mixing with the Koford M320?

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 11:55 PM

Haruki,
How much naptha are you mixing with the Koford M320?

Until last summer, we mixed one bottle of Koford Medium with 1 litter(approximately 1 quart) of naphtha.
Chubby told me their mixture was 1 bottle with 20 oz, which we are following now.
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Posted 06 January 2018 - 12:02 AM

As I mentioned in post #7, I use one bottle per 12 oz.

I spray it on fairly light.

I thought for sure, this last time, about 10 days ago, it would need to be touched up, but it was perfect.

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