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#1 YetiSRP

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 03:31 PM

Seriously...

 

Where did they all go? I can't believe all those Mura and Champion 'C' can motors and parts all just got dumped somewhere. There has to be a slew of them someplace.

 

I'd love to get my hands on a bunch of them.

 

When Mura closed down, where did all that go?

 

Bob Rule sells to Carl Ford, Carl Ford sells to Parma. Where's all the Champion stuff? My guess they're all sitting in boxes that no one wants to go through.

 

This is the part where I shut up.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 03:53 PM

You mean like this?

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 04:17 PM

Havlicek has a small mountain of them in his back yard. Every day he goes down with his front-end loader and fills another bucket load for a days restoring and rewiring.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 04:32 PM

You mean like this?

Oh, come on, Dennis.

That's not what he was looking for.

You just wanted to show off you had an old , rusty Cukras motor.

IIRC, those are not even considered C cans.

Back to the OP, I bet there is someone out there with plenty.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 04:36 PM

I'm still chuckling over the Havlicek front end loader comment !


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 04:45 PM

I pick them up on eBay with regularity.  Not sure where you are looking.

When I want to have a calm evening, I put on classic rock and restore them... one at a time.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 05:03 PM

Plenty of the cans out there. Most of the arms and almost all the endbells got cooked.

They still sell G20 arms. The hard part to find is decent endbells.

Professor Motor sells a knockoff endbell that can work.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 05:09 PM

Seriously...

 

Where did they all go? I can't believe all those Mura and Champion 'C' can motors and parts all just got dumped somewhere. There has to be a slew of them someplace.

 

I'd love to get my hands on a bunch of them.

 

When Mura closed down, where did all that go?

 

Bob Rule sells to Carl Ford, Carl Ford sells to Parma. Where's all the Champion stuff? My guess they're all sitting in boxes that no one wants to go through.

 

This is the part where I shut up.

Jim,

What era are you looking for?

 

If it's the 20 year old stuff, it shouldn't be an issue.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 05:18 PM

What Pablo said (of course!).  The Professor Motor end bell is also a good candidate for dying.  Anywho (*and speaking of Mura C cans), the Muras...ESPECIALLY the "Green Cans" are my favorites.  I'd LOVE to see an "fk" version of them, and don't quite understand why people didn't just go for that design when the smaller motors became popular...they just plain "WORKED"!  Over the last 5-7 years, many people here have given me Mura "C" motors, because they're old and tres declasse'.  Dennis Dominey is one of them, and I'm thankful for that because, they will never be "out of style" as far as I'm concerned.  "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" as they say.  Here's a couple on my bench today, including a #28 double intended for the unpainted one:

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No, I ain't no "Greenaway"...OR "Green"...or "Steube", but I like to think I've got my own thing going on, and a #28 double is a pretty "vintage" way to power-up one of these lovelies!  :)


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 05:35 PM

 

but I like to think I've got my own thing going on

 I concours with dat one...


Yes, to be sure, this is it...


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 05:39 PM

I've often thought the same thing. In the early 80s, at least around here, everything was C Can based, Mura, Trinity, Champion, Camen, ProSlot, etc. Those things are too bullet proof to just rot. My theory is that they are in a lot of garages waiting for discovery, and you would think there must be bunches of NOS out there somewhere. 


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 06:02 PM

I hope that they hurry up and find that stash of NOS stuff! 


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 07:10 PM

Not just private stashes in garages.

 

Where IS all that NOS? There has to be boxes of never-sold stuff that is still in the original shipped boxes and ones that were bagged and carded but went nowhere.

 

I admit, I'm old! Grew up with all that list of motors from the late 60's up until the midget motors slowly took over. Even then, there was the 'local' class of Gp. 27B - 'C' cans with tagged 27 arms, ceramic mags! (BTW - During that time, my main rival was the late Rande Marshall)

 

Been building a slew of throwback frames built around the design that used 'C' cans. Would l love to stuff them with big motors,

 

Ok--- shutting up again.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 07:21 PM

When something works... it sells out Jim.
The motors were replaced eventually with other newer stuff.  But Champion and Mura old stock was still GOOD!
And by the 80's the market was smaller so.... the old stuff got sold eventually.  
Because it still worked!

I believe there is little over stock of stuff from the 70's and 80's.

 


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 07:33 PM

Scratch my comment, you shouldn't have a problem finding them.

Why would you require NOS motors?

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 07:52 PM

<<Why would you require NOS motors?>>

 

Just got it in my feeble little head, Mike, that there had to be some unsold stuff sitting around in places.

 

Maybe one of the previous comments is correct. Maybe all those motors eventually got sold with no more ordered or made by the manufacturers.

 

Kinda' hard to believe, though. I mean, while I was having lunch with Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster, they pretty much agreed with me.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:02 PM

You still haven't stated from what era.

If you are talking the Bob Rule era, I doubt there would be any large stashes.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:46 PM

Champion c-cans were scarce in the mid-to-late 70's. I remember in 1975-76 both Russ Boyington & Walt Labree, two CT pros, would want you to furnish the can(s) if you wanted either of them to build you a motor. Endbells were slightly modified Mura c-can units & Champion White Dots were still plentiful. I don't have a good history on Mura's "Green" cans other Mura produced a lot more c-cans than Champion ever did. That explains why "Green" cans are more available today. I would think that if anyone still has a stash, it would be REHCO. Not too long ago, I heard, they still had not computerized their inventory & often would not know whether. something was available or where in their warehouses it might be.. That may have all changed, I just don't know.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:12 PM

<<I would think that if anyone still has a stash, it would be REHCO. Not too long ago, I heard, they still had not computerized their inventory & often would not know whether. something was available or where in their warehouses it might be.>>

 

​Yeeeaaaahhhh… let's not go into.

 

BTW--- Anyone remember the Associated 'kit' can. You got the two halves and had to attach them together? I had no access to welding or brazing so every time I silver soldered them, installed the magnets, I'd add the springs and *BOING*. Before glueing the magnets.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:18 PM

 

 

BTW--- Anyone remember the Associated 'kit' can. You got the two halves and had to attach them together? I had no access to welding or brazing so every time I silver soldered them, installed the magnets, I'd add the springs and *BOING*. Before glueing the magnets.

 

 

I did one I think last year, or at least one just like the Associated.  Rick T. has done at least one that I remember, but I "think" they used the shorter "B" can magnets.  Anyway, modern "C" cans are still a really good platform as well.


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