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#26 tonyp

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 07:06 AM

Adding ball bearings would increase the cost of the motor to produce, so retail price will go up. The motor is designed to be used for a few races and tossed when brushes wear out.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 07:35 AM

Rs competing with perceived slower 7Rs... people complain. 
 
7Rs only... people complain.
 
Motor has some perceived issues... people complain.
 
Approved motor list opened up to new entries... people complain. 
 
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 07:39 AM

Will there a max of how many motors one can buy? For instance for RP I dont see why we couldn't do it. However I think pre motor sales would be a must for ordering proper quanity, if you want 20, you can buy 20, just would have to pre-pay in advance. Just need a little more clarification to talk it over with Doug.


Why not just get the motors on consignment?
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 07:49 AM

Rs competing with perceived slower 7Rs... people complain.

7Rs only... people complain.

Motor has some perceived issues... people complain.

Approved motor list opened up to new entries... people complain.


Yup, sounds like slot car racing...


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 08:18 AM

I know this wont happen but it solves the problem. Run total laps no move ups in all classes and have two motor classes, an R winner total lap list and a 7R winner total lap just like Modified and Sportman Stock Cars use to run together.

 

Since these are considered two different motors but people all have a bunch invested in both of them.


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 08:48 AM

@Sam and others-

My perspective is simple. I did not post, complain, or provide feedback at all during much of this debacle. I waited and observed.

The IRRA® BoD remained steadfast in their position that there would be no motor rule change for the remainder of this season (even as one member dissented for their local series).

After witnessing the BoD's steadfast position, I became confident, based on their own words and positioning, that there would not be a motor rule change or considered until the current season ended. I thus made the decision to buy some new old stock R motors.

Now, while my $$$ is spent, and I await my delivery, the BoD makes a rule change. That stings. The timing, however coincidental, adds a little salt.

Like I said, Ill still show up to race and have fun.

But to think there wouldnt' be blow back after doing exactly that which was said wouldnt be done is unreasonable.

Yes, the BoD has an often thankless volunteer position. Which is why I go out of my way to thank organizers and hosts at every race I attend.

Venting done. See you all at the race track. ✌


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 08:48 AM

It seems that the chief complaint now is from those with a pant-load of motors that they can't use.


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 09:05 AM

The IRRA BOD remained steadfast in their position that there would be no motor rule change for the remainder of this season


I missed where we made such a statement.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:06 AM

Motor submissions are open. I guess all you boys and girls out there that think there is a better mousetrap.

 

It is time to pony up with the bucks. I am waiting to see who will put their money where their mouth has been since the RH was introduced in IRRA®. Let's see those perfect Chinese motors come out of the woodwork. 


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:11 AM

Any idea what it would cost to start up a motor import operation with only hope of getting the motor approved, much less recovering your investment?

 

But then that is the American way. Go ahead take a shot.


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:13 AM

Personally I'm not in favor of all hand-out at Premier races. The main reason is time to break the motors in and then getting track time to test them.

 

IMO the only way this could work is if practice is set up like ISRA where you get a time slot and allowed ___ amount of time making it equally for everyone. Trying to get 40-50 (sometimes more) racers onto a eight-ane track 2-3 hours before tech is hard enough.


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:36 AM

Well, there could be a standard to go by. Like you get your motors on Thursday and have all day to test and break-in. It worked really well for the R4 which is bigger than the premier events out there. It's doable, that's for sure.

And practice at the R4 is timed practice; you get in line, practice your four lanes, and get off. Get back in line if you need more time. You start on red, run red, go to green, run green, go to blue, run blue, go to purple, run purple, you're done. Get in line again. Two lines, one starting on red, one starting on black and you rotate down or up. It's simple.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:20 AM


Motor submissions are open,  I guess all you boys and girls out there that think there is a better mouse trap.

 

It is time to pony up with the bucks. I am waiting to see who will put their money where there mouth has been since the RH was introduced in IRRA®. Let's see those perfect Chinese motors come out of the woodwork. 

 
I agree, Dan.

In the 270+ posts that quickly materialized on FB SCRT, last night, I already saw one poster claim the IRRA® would never approve a motor he submitted.

Entirely not true. If the motor meets all the requirements, personalties would have to be put aside.

But in previous talk about producing a motor, this individual stated he would bypass distributors.

As clearly posted in our statement, the must be available through three slot car distributors at a standard industry discount.

I.e: Crawley, Eagle, ERI, REH.

Also in those 270 posts, I saw the head of a different Retro org continuing his divisive rhetoric, posting about all the theoretical ways to cheat with a Retro Hawk.

Despite Retro racing's current racer to beat, Will Custer, stating on the same page/forum, that he has never felt he has been beaten in a Retro Hawk race by a cheater motor, and more importantly, while the majority of Retro racers are tired of the bickering, this person still continues to post negatively.

Sad.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:37 AM

Joe,

 

If you did hand-outs for the RP3, maximum of 10 motors 10 for the weekend and any of those motor could be used all weekend. Seems fair, so the most you spend on motors is $100 per racer.

 

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 12:57 PM

And what if those motors had to be impounded like they were for the R4?

No, thanks.


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 02:18 PM

One year to sell off or use up our motors would have gone over way smoother with racers then a couple months. I think that should be looked into and it gives a lot more time for:
 
A. Tim to fix the issue
or
B. Another person pony up to submit a new motor.
 
Why such a short notice?


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 03:49 PM

So the Raceway ( PJ) Still Has the Choice to Run it as they see fit Like all the Premier Races  Sano , Brawl and R4 and run Long Shaft RH's at the RP ??? only seams right 

 

 

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 04:04 PM

If the motors were to be impounded because of lack of trust I'm sure Doug and his crew would do a great job, just like was done at the R4 last year.

 

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 04:06 PM

One more time, Mark.

The reference to the TSR D3 was in reference to the style endbell it has. We know it has lighter timing than the Falcon 7 and Retro Hawk.

On the submitted motors, we want 15 degrees so racers can use their same gears.

Also the lighter timing on a TSR D3, and the resulting decrease in back EMF, doesn't reliably trip the lap counter on some systems.


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 04:29 PM

Our Racing program has been working for years including the premier races. I agree with the 7r ruling as the R motors are not readily available. Its a no brainer. 

 

As its been successfully done in the past HAND OUTS FOR COUPE ONLY. at premier races. 

 

The rules are the rules. dont like them stay home. or come and race. Simple decisions here . Pick One. 

 

Notice the RETRO EAST A-mainers are quite ? thats because they will make it happen WIthout SPECIAL MOTORS. 


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 04:47 PM

JJ

 

You're not going to be out 21 hundred bucks by staying home as when I made all my plans. I was told nothing would change and now the sky fell in on me. So Wise Guy is not what I'm looking for.

 

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 05:45 PM

Hard for some to understand that, Vason.

You're right, the rules are rules, JJ, and it's up to the hosting race way what motor or rules they want to use. Also up to the race way to decide if they want to run hand-outs or not.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 05:47 PM

Our racing program has been working for years including the Premier races. I agree with the 7R ruling as the R motors are not readily available. It's a nobrainer. 
 
As its been successfully done in the past hand-outs for Coupe only at Premier races. 
 
The rules are the rules. Don't like them, stay home. Or come and race. Simple decisions here. Pick one. 
 
Notice the Retro East A Mainers are quiet ? That's because they will make it happen wIthout special motors. 


What happens when the 7Rs aren't available? Do it all over again. And again? Or just do hand-outs at premiere races and your able to use ur hand-out motors at the monthly Retro East races..


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 05:49 PM

I beat all the retro east A mainers in coupe all using the same motor. The accusations flying that people need special motors is dumb. No we would just like to have time to at the very least use our old motors up.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 06:24 PM

Willy 

 

People complain about the uneven playing field because of the old motors some have and some do not. So the race organizations take the option they have to level the field.

 

What would be the point of saying we are going to level the field in two or three years after you use up all your motors. People can't get the old motors now. The IRRA® did leave the opening to reinstate the motors if the situation changes.


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