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#26 mppicione

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Posted 28 January 2018 - 09:15 AM

What bodies did you run with these cars?

Are there any 3 1/4 inch wide bodies out there?

Are there still some parts available for chassis center section?


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Posted 28 January 2018 - 10:06 AM

This could be a fun gentlemen's challenge.
Building a 1969 era car with modern bits stuffed in an "A", "B" or "D" can motor.

 

And also 1971 era cars with a "C" can motors.

 

This is what I have been saying, in so many words, for several years now.



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Posted 28 January 2018 - 10:15 AM

Yeah Steve, Rick made that clear.
Only question now is which class do we start saving parts for? G.P., Can-Am or NASCAR?
I pick NASCAR since I have a few bodies and never built one before.

Plus... Rick just scored a Dodge Daytona body I think he is dying to build.


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Posted 28 January 2018 - 02:52 PM

Plus... Rick just scored a Dodge Daytona body I think he is dying to build.

 

I like to back pour that lancer body and the dynamic talladega I have the dynamic charger 500 already. I have the vacuum former. Someone got one of those 2 bodies that are so so?

 

You all know I'm on board with this :D 

 

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Posted 28 January 2018 - 03:35 PM

What bodies did you run with these cars?

Are there any 3 1/4 inch wide bodies out there?

Are there still some parts available for chassis center section?

-Can Am, Grand Prix, and NASCAR.

-I think the only bodies you will find that are a full 3.250 width are modern wing bodies.

-Don't know what you mean by "center section".


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Posted 28 January 2018 - 04:11 PM

Well let me put it out there. If you guys need a special part made for this idea send them to me, I'll get it done. I want to see this happen even if it's just Steve,Paul,Rick, Jairus,and Myself

 

I have the drop arms you will need

 

I have motor brackets if needed

 

bat pans I have spec out thickness can get it done.

 

elephant ears can do if needed

 

I have to check my collection of vacuum bodies to see what I have for early 70's stuff.

 

If you think of it let me know..


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 09:56 AM

"Center Section" = drop arm & rails with a motor box

 

Common 1/24 pan thicknesses during the late 60's & early 70's = .032 & .040, .050 was used earlier. Some 1/32 pans were .062


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How old should a highway be before you tell it, that it has been adopted?


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 10:42 AM

IIRC, rule #14 was created because someone basically built a model with working doors, full interior etc then put a tiny motor in with FWD to get the car around the track.

Was the prize actually worth building a semi-functional car?
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Posted 29 January 2018 - 10:58 AM

Was the prize actually worth building a semi-functional car?

In slotcar racing the prize is almost never worth what we put into winning it.

 

We just do it because we love it.


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 05:30 PM

Pablo sorry I wasn't clear on the center section part's.

I was thinking old school drop arms and motor brackets.

I would like to build a Can Am perhaps with  piano wire and brass drop arm or spring steel center section.

I can scratch build it but was interested in knowing if any parts were around, pans or drop arms?


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 06:17 PM

grooverunner is your man for drop arms and pans :good:

 

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 08:49 PM

I like that it's not only a endorsement but it sings  :D 

 

Thanks Pablo


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 10:53 AM

QUOTES:

Personally, I think a fully plumbered Can Am anglewinder with a Group 20 arm in a C can motor would be a hoot.

 

It is a hoot Pablo, especially if those modern parts are fitted into a cleaned up 2-hole Mura C-can setup

 

In 1970 a fully plumbered Can Am anglewinder with a Group 20 arm in a C can motor was called a Group 27.  It was a Group 7 chassis with a Group 20 motor.  I had more fun building and racing my Group 27s than any other slot cars before or since.

 

Building a 1969 era car with modern bits stuffed in an "A", "B" or "D" can motor.

 

And also 1971 era cars with a "C" can motors.

 

The concepts being put forward here sounds like a lot of fun. I’d like to add a couple of thoughts. I ran 20/7 cars in 1973 to 1976 on some of the same tracks I ran Group 7 cars (C&C, Elmsford). The advantage was the motors would last a lot longer and the cars were easier to drive.

 

I don’t think it can be over stated these cars will not drive like the cars of the late 60’s; the traction will be in the frames and the modern tires, not on the track from a bottle.

 

The motors I used back in the day were group 7 setups with a group 20 arm stuffed in (I didn’t know any better). While a 25 wire arm was geared 8/42, the 20/7 was geared 12/38. With modern parts there will be significant differences:

  • The cans I used were full thickness with .550 long magnets. The arms probably had lower timing and longer stacks.
  • Today’s cans will have less material, shorter magnets, and arms will have much higher timing and less rotating mass.

When building a motor today the power will come from RPMs whereas the older motors were just torque monsters. Of course a lighter, higher RPM motor should make a better handling and driving car. (If I only knew then what I half know now.)

 

I’ll have to look through the 1970’s boxes and see what I have. Personally I’m thinking of a Lola 160 or McLaren Mk8.


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 11:14 AM

Bob I have no idea how you got my name on that quote but I am sure I never said any of those things.


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 12:16 PM

Jairus said "Building a 1969 era car with modern bits stuffed in an "A", "B" or "D" can motor.."

 

The rest of the above quotes are Steve Okeefe's.


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How old should a highway be before you tell it, that it has been adopted?


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 01:14 PM

 

And also 1971 era cars with a "C" can motors.

 

This is what I have been saying, in so many words, for several years now.

 

 

Well...I for one heard ya Steve! ;)


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:54 PM

Bob I have no idea how you got my name on that quote but I am sure I never said any of those things.

 

Eddie,

 

This was a result of a sloppy and rushed, cut & paste job. I had thought I had removed your name from the quotation box but I had not.

 

Please accept my apologize on this I was in not trying to represent this as your opinion. (I have edited my post.)


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 04:25 PM

No problem Bob. It was not like the quote said anything bad.

 

Thanks for the correction.


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 10:23 PM

IIRC, rule #14 was created because someone basically built a model with working doors, full interior etc then put a tiny motor in with FWD to get the car around the track.  

Was the prize actually worth building a semi-functional car?

In slotcar racing the prize is almost never worth what we put into winning it.

 

We just do it because we love it.

 

The car was pictured in a National magazine (Car Model). 

Some one talked about the problem of offering cash/merchandise for prizes in amateur road rallying years ago. The estimate was people would spend ten dollar for every dollar of prize money.


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 07:32 AM

 

I was hoping someone would suggest something along the lines of "Vintage-style", but "New-Old Slot Cars" is definitely a start.  It's the IDEA that's important.

Why not just "Resto"?


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 09:08 AM

I just ordered a Dubro .015" '67 Fairlane and Lancer .015" '69 Daytona & .020" '69 Torino for my "Nostalgia" projects.  


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 09:31 AM

Where can a guy buy those?


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 09:43 AM

I can send you a Dodge Charger if you like Paul!


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 09:48 AM

Where can a guy buy those?

Got them from here....

https://www.ebay.com...872.m2749.l2754

 

I don't think they are originals at that price. Just repops.


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 11:32 AM

Ahhh, Mid America. Good to know. Thanks.


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