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#1 slotbaker

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 08:02 PM

Using Mike Wahrlich's nice images from a few years ago, (hope you don't mind).

I'm tring to get a few Vampire interior trays and driver heads to complete some cars.

Does anyone re-pop the original, or does anyone have a good original that would be willing to allow it to be copied.

I've got some generic trays that can be made to work, but would like the correct shape original/copy that fits the body.

TIA.


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#2 Brian Czeiner

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 08:28 PM

If you can find an original, I would be willing to make the mold and several copies for you. Even if the original is in poor shape. I have remastered a few from very poor originals. I have even created a few interiors from nothing at all.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:08 PM

Thanks Brian.

All we need now is an original to master it...

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 06:09 AM

If anyone could do it, it would be Brian Czeiner of Cave Man Bodeez. His bodies are awesome!


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 08:01 AM

I would also like to add I will return a repop to who ever donates the original.


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 08:17 AM

Do they get the original back or is it lost forever?


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:22 AM

  • No reason for the original to be hurt at all.   A silicone mold is all that is needed and silicone hurts nothing.   

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 10:28 AM

If you want the original back, I can use the silicon method if you choose. I don't usually go that route because it doubles the cost of making a mold. But I can do it. 


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 05:09 AM

Pattos had some repops of the Vampire. Look at his site under 1/24th scale bodies year '67.


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 04:21 PM

Thanks Gary.

I used a Patto's body for The Dynamic Challenge a few years ago.

But unfortunately, Bruce doesn't do an interior for it.


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Posted 27 March 2018 - 02:43 AM

It doesn't seem like it would be that tough, because there are some pictures of it in some of the old slot car books. The problem is probably who wants to bother with something that is a lot of work and won't make them some money. Patto used my original body to make that mold for his Vampire, that's why I mentioned it but forgot about the interior.


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Posted 27 March 2018 - 06:54 PM

If you want the original back, I can use the silicon method if you choose. I don't usually go that route because it doubles the cost of making a mold. But I can do it. 

I would think that due to the fact that the master is being provided for free, that in itself would be a reduction in cost.  I know the price of the material for the silicon is a bit high, but another source for the body may be profitable!


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 10:28 AM

I will look around and find a body and interior.

I purchase silicone by the gallons, just hang in there, might take a while.

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 10:32 AM

I've got an original one for you Gene.  We'll add it to "the list".


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 12:55 PM

I've got an original one for you Gene.  We'll add it to "the list".


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 11:25 AM

I would think that due to the fact that the master is being provided for free, that in itself would be a reduction in cost.  I know the price of the material for the silicon is a bit high, but another source for the body may be profitable!

Using a donated original does reduce the cost. But it doesn't reduce the cost of the mold making materials. Using a two step method of rtv then resin doubles the expense.  Nor does it take into account the time involved in remastering a mold for better fit or detail. Include the time to create vinyl window masks, then materials to test pull and fit everything. It can be easily exceed $100.00 to bring a mold to market.

 

As for it being profitable, let me just say in some cases it takes a while to get your money back and nobody is getting rich on this stuff. Not every body produced is desirable despite what the original owner thinks. I have boxes and boxes of bodies waiting for reproduction but we have determined the market isn't there to clear expenses yet. We simply keep the bodies in reserve.

 

 It has been our policy from the beginning to provide the body donor two free clear reproduction bodies or one free painted. Their choice.


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 11:58 AM

Having done this a few times, the cost is actually more around $50-$70 at most to do a silicone inside mold, then silicone outside mold then a resin casting from the outside mold.    As to getting you initial cost back....what??????????    We do this for enjoyment and to provide parts for other guys.   For most of us hobbyists, we don't figure to ever make money, but we do get back costs sometimes.   I am referring only to prehistoric slot car stuff, not modern stuff!


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 02:37 PM

Merely stating the facts.  Not only do I scratchbuild, I play with hard-bodies, and copy them to make duplicates.  I know what it takes to do this, and I still say that I can't see the issue once a "master" has been provided to you.  As it stands, this is not worth the debate due to the offer by Gene/ZR1 to produce the car in question.  Thanks Gene, when you complete the car/interior, add me to your list for 2 (not my usual 4, had to cut back)!


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 04:12 PM

The quality stuff Gene makes we can keep him busy for the next 5-10 years!!!


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