Best 3/32" stock?
#1
Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:03 AM
What are you guys using?
#2
Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:07 AM
Brass rod, tube, or plate? Or steel piano wire?
Gregory Wells
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#4
Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:44 AM
#5
Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:46 AM
Thanks, MC has several options, S7 was one of a few I was looking at.
#6
Posted 29 April 2018 - 10:02 AM
#7
Posted 29 April 2018 - 10:11 AM
Koford M623R.
It's made for slot racing.
Super-straight. Perfect sizing for bushings and ball bearings.
And most important, the correct temper, so it won't snap in a bad wreck.
Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
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#8
Posted 29 April 2018 - 10:23 AM
Tight, straight, hard 3/32" material still leaves a lot on the plate. Axles that are too hard means brittle (as mentioned above), and you don't want the "hardest" material, you want a material that's hard enough, but not too hard. "Tight" is another vague thing and there are variations between different "3/32" axles. A thousandth or so here or there can mean the difference between a sloppy fit, a slip fit, and an axle that is bound.
The McMaster-Carr stuff is most likely fine, but it's not meant for slot car axles, but general machine shop type stuff. The Koford material has been spec'd and selected for the purpose.
If you still go for the McMaster Carr, I'd go slow and try one before ordering more.
#9
Posted 29 April 2018 - 10:57 AM
I've ordered the McMaster-Carr stock slightly oversize to solder bushings in. Tighter fit, better alignment, then use Koford to race. Works every time.
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#10
Posted 29 April 2018 - 11:12 AM
Do a search for "mold ejector pins." That is what I have been switching to. They don't bend and will break before they do. I haven't broken one yet.
#11
Posted 29 April 2018 - 12:43 PM
Koford M623R
Mike,
How would this axle work as an armature shaft running in ball bearings?
Thanks,
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#12
Posted 29 April 2018 - 01:56 PM
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#13
Posted 29 April 2018 - 02:05 PM
I've ordered the McMaster-Carr stock slightly oversize to solder bushings in. Tighter fit, better alignment, then use Koford to race. Works every time.
That's a common way machinists who race install their bushings.
Rather than risk getting the axle stuck in the bushings, or BB's, I use the below technique. It's is a great way to use any straight axle to install your bearings.
It simulates a tight axle, by pulling the front, hard, up against the front of the bushing or bearing bore.
Do a search for "mold ejector pins". That is what I have been switching to. Don't bend and will break before they do. I haven't broken one yet.
If you are racing for the win, bending your axle is much more preferable to breaking your axle, or even worse, breaking your ball bearings.
With a bent axle you can limp to end of the heat, and change it, during intermission.
Guys were trying to use some super-hard drill blank for F1 front axles.
Both Noose and J.J. talked about snapping them, and winding up out of the race with an F1 tricycle.
How would this axle work as an armature shaft running in ball bearings?
Great, if you had lams with the correct bore to press them into, and of course, have a pinion with the correct bore.
And the motor setup would have to be able to accept the 3/16" OD ball bearings on both sides.
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Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#14
Posted 29 April 2018 - 02:12 PM
Thanks, Mike.
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#15
Posted 29 April 2018 - 03:30 PM
Mike,
Explain the use of a rubber band during chassis setup as shown in your post #13 photo.
Thanks.
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#16
Posted 29 April 2018 - 03:41 PM
It wasn't originally in the post, but I added it.
It simulates a tight axle, by pulling the front, hard, up against the front of the bushing or bearing bore.
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Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#17
Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:18 PM
Koford has the best axles!!!
#18
Posted 30 April 2018 - 12:18 AM
These may not be the hot ticket for racing but hopefully will be OK for my 1/32 scratch cars using lo-po motors and urethane tires under resin scale bodies.
I am aware there are axles and then there are other axles.
Steel round ground bearing shaft 2.38mm 3/32" × 304mm long
I will buy from anywhere if it suits my needs
John Warren
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#19
Posted 30 April 2018 - 07:24 AM
It simulates a tight axle, by pulling the front, hard, up against the front of the bushing or bearing bore.
Of course, as I have mentioned before, my favorite technique to align bushings is to use machinist gage pins to be that "tight axle," selecting the appropriate pin sizes to fit the bushings with as close to zero play as possible.
FWIW, most of the oilites bushings sold to the slot car hobby do not have very consistent bores diameters. One exception is the Slick 7 machined bushings.
When you get the bushing bores nearly exactly parallel and co-axial, the difference in spin is very noticeable.
Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#20
Posted 30 April 2018 - 09:58 AM
Different cars/classes/loads will have different requirements but for 1/32 cars, the loads are so low that the bearing surface of the typical oilite is overkill. I chuck mine in the lathe and counterbore with a 1/8" end mill to reduce the width of the bearing surface to about 1.5 mm. After installation I pass a 3/32" hand reamer through both bearings.
I find that this works well for the drill blank axles I typically use.
EM
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#21
Posted 30 April 2018 - 10:23 AM
Pappy's Jiggy and Magna Jiggy also work well for getting bushing bores parallel and coaxial.
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#22
Posted 30 April 2018 - 10:32 AM
Not in the way I meant, Bill...
Correct me if I am wrong, but the only way to get two bushings to have bores parallel and coaxial is to install them on a shaft/axle that fits both bushings with near zero clearance. Without such a shaft, a jig can't do that.
Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#23
Posted 30 April 2018 - 11:27 AM
In order to use the jigs, one needs accurate jig wheels and good shafting. Like most chassis jigs, they don't do anything by themselves.
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#24
Posted 30 April 2018 - 12:33 PM
On a car I am entering in a big race, I use M-42 cobalt high speed drill blanks. They won't bend, and won't break in any wreck that wouldn't destroy the bracket anyway. Theyrun about $2-3, but are usually only sold in packs of six. Most industrial suppliers have them.
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#25
Posted 30 April 2018 - 02:57 PM
I use Avid ball bearings and they work well with about any axle or drill blank other than Slot.it. So if you want a nice tight fit in your oilites for alignment you might try a Slot It axle.
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