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#26 SlowBeas

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 11:38 AM

Yes, Greg, I do believe it always happened in white.

 

That lane can be either extremely fast, or it will throw you out of the slot and into the path of an oncoming challenger.

 

I'll never figure out why it's only my "driving style" that seems to be impacted this way.


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 12:24 PM

That track has the tighest turn I have ever seen on a routed wooden slot car track.

 

The turns at Elmsford looked about this tight, but most of my time there usually involved glue.


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 02:49 PM

Elmsford: As I remember, 11 inches slot to slot in the switchback (the 180 inside the bank).


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 03:04 PM

Maybe because it was on a 220' track, but I'm thinking the Elmsford driver's panel turn was tighter.

 

I raced on it before and after Hasse retopped it.

 

After it was retopped, it was even trickier, because it no longer was anything close to a steady radius.

 

It was so tight, Hasse's routing method on the retop didn't work, so he had to sort of freehand it, apparently using an Estes Astron Scout nose cone, as the inspiration for its parabolic shape.

 

I was in a race where Dick P. came off there, every lap, for five minutes straight ( and still finished better than me, in third or fourth - LOL!).


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 03:36 PM

The original surface, in 1984.

 

FWIW, I think it was retopped twice, as there are some pics where it looks great.

 

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 03:44 PM

Elmsford: As I remember, 11 inches slot to slot in the switchback (the 180 inside the bank).

 

The pic below was probably taken after the last retop.

 

I'm thinking the drivers turn is tighter.

 

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 03:45 PM

It looks like a 180-degree hairpin. I could certainly find a way to de-slot there.


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 04:13 PM

The deadman, after the bank on the inside lane, was the tightest turn, trust me I know.  :)
 
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 04:54 PM

Historical reminiscing.

 

I assume the dimensions are before redecking, looks like a PITA in all three tight turns. I just remember having a hard time marshaling the switchback in 1975.

 

Radius 3' 6", my Engleman's surface is 38", so... a 4" hole in the center that I didn't fit into.

 

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 05:32 PM

Beasley,

 

Next time you're near that track, measure the distance between the two straights just going into and exiting the turn.

 

Using my photo from post #21, and after calling to Jay to see if he recalled the lane spacing (4-1/4" he thinks), the radius of the turn in white seems to be about 6 inches. If the lane spacing is 4 inches, it would be close to 5-2/3 inches.


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 06:30 PM

The pic below was probably taken after the last retop.
 
I'm thinking the drivers turn is tighter.
 
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Seems a difficult design to position marshals...

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 07:41 PM

Historical reminiscing.
 
I assume the dimensions are before redecking, looks like a PITA in all three tight turns. I just remember having a hard time marshaling the switchback in 1975.
 
Radius 3' 6", my Engleman's surface is 38", so... a 4" hole in the center that I didn't fit into.
 
o.jpgThe switchback's the memorable turn, because the others, you marshal on the outside.

 
That plaque was made by Hasse, after he redecked it. Who knows on the dimensions?
 
If they were the same, I don't get how I was told the drivers inside most turn had to be improvised.
 
I raced on it, the second time, in '93 or '94.
 
On the way there, I got to see a deer chopped clean in half by a semi-truck and trailer, right as we veered to the left, to miss it.
 

Seems a difficult design to position marshals...

 
Yes. The marshal has to stand and commit to look one way.
 
IIRC, it was typically facing exiting the turn, which then meant you were screwed if you popped in the glue entering, because the marshal couldn't quickly spin around.
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Posted 04 May 2018 - 07:45 AM

The track was so tight because there were two poles the track had to fit between.
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Posted 05 May 2018 - 10:38 PM

HP guide flags?  Hewlett Packard expanding their product line? Seriously though, I haven't heard of this guide flag.  Anyone tried it out?

 

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Posted 06 May 2018 - 03:52 PM

Thats the one I was referring to in my post in this thread.

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Posted 06 May 2018 - 05:24 PM

The overall profile of this  guide looks very similar to the "Steube" guide that Associated came out with as the "next generation" guide after the "Jet Flag".  Came out in the early '70's I think.

 

Tapered leading and trailing edges as I recall.  It also had "louvered" step sides on the guide.  It never really got any traction so to speak.  Perhaps PDL has an example in the Marconi Museum collection?

 

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Posted 06 May 2018 - 08:18 PM

The Steube guide was in and out of style in like a week. It did not work any better then the jet flag. The stepped design would of probably worked better if the widest part of the blade was at the bottom and not the top.
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Posted 07 May 2018 - 08:38 AM

Tony P:  Correct.  The guides went from anxiously anticipated to hot and then stone cold in about three weeks.  I worked at REH Dist. at the time.  As I recall they were also more expensive than the "Jet flag which was a downer.



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:33 AM

Just got the HP guides in at my shop. Tested one myself on my personal "long course" GTP and while it didn't result in a huge performance gain (only about 0.05 seconds dropped from testing with the JK cut down to the HP) it did feel that the car's "comfort window" was wider and that the car could be driven more violently without deslotting. 


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:37 PM

Justin,  I found the same to be true with a Retro car at Tri-State.  Just seemed to be smoother.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:57 PM

Hmmm, new Electric blue HP guide flag, their graphite one or both?


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 03:01 PM

Tim,  The blue HP.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 03:11 PM

Likewise, it was the blue guides that we've begun to stock.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 12:19 PM

Need to comp the HP to RF if you want a fair test.

None of the other old style tapered guides are as fast as RF IMO. Ive not tried HP yet.
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Posted 08 May 2018 - 12:49 PM

I hope to do that soon.  Also, RF doesn't always fit some of the shorter Retro bodies.


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