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[Martin]

Item number:

142862405182

1960s TESTOR MIB ORANGE DEMON DEUCE HIGH BOY HOT ROD ROADSTER 1:24 SLOT CAR

Winning bid:

$3,883.33

• Bidders:
  14
• Bids:
  20
• Time Ended:
  15 Jul 2018 at 6:00:07PM PDT
• Duration:
  5 days

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Bidder   Bid Amount Bid Time -***r(0) $3,883.33 15 Jul 2018 at 2:34:09PM PDT a***0(11863) $3,833.33 15 Jul 2018 at 6:00:02PM PDT 2***o(1924) $810.00 15 Jul 2018 at 3:47:53PM PDT 2***o(1924) $425.00 15 Jul 2018 at 3:46:59PM PDT 2***o(1924) $355.00 15 Jul 2018 at 9:31:36AM PDT d***o(927) $277.99 15 Jul 2018 at 4:32:59AM PDT 2***o(1924) $250.00 15 Jul 2018 at 8:26:08AM PDT 2***o(1924) $235.00 15 Jul 2018 at 8:26:05AM PDT 2***o(1924) $165.00 12 Jul 2018 at 5:49:49PM PDT o***o(1022) $131.00 15 Jul 2018 at 3:22:12AM PDT a***e(790) $125.00 14 Jul 2018 at 2:07:06PM PDT

 

[Tex]

wanna bet it was the LASCM?

[Bill from NH]

That same person was also selling a blue one at the same time. The blue Deuce had higher bids early on than did the gold one, but I didn't see how it ended. IIRC, the Honda F1 in the wrong Testor box last week was also won by another "zero feedback" bidder. Perhaps some new names were created just for these particular Testor auctions. I know several people who currently use multiple eBay names.

[MattD]

Martin,  I posted about this when they first appeared.        If someone was willing to give over $1000 for the T box,  these two should  go ridiculous.  They did.

A goldmine for the guy that found them!!

[Martin]

Guys the important thing to notice here is the (11863) was out bid by (0). and did not win.

IF a***0(11863) $3,833.33 was the LASCM max bid (0) went another $50 for the win.                 

[Bill from NH]

I have no knowledge otherwise, but was the winning bid legitimate or could it been somebody just playing around?

[MattD]

Martin, how do you know who won?

[Martin]

-***r(0) $3,883.33 15 Jul 2018 at 2:34:09PM PDT

a***0(11863) $3,833.33 15 Jul 2018 at 6:00:02PM PDT

                                    

Matt, its usually the high bidder, unless the (0) bidder was a shill to flush out every last dollar? Then the seller offers it to the next guy in line the LASCM  a***0(11863) for his max bid which was $3,833.33 ka-ching!

 

Bill, I did see what happened to the Honda F1, I thought the LASCM claimed that one fair and square. No (0) bidder there. Still have it in my watch list.

a***0(11863) $1,048.00 29 Jun 2018 at 3:36:46PM PDT

2***o(1924) $1,023.00 29 Jun 2018 at 8:47:08AM PDT

[MattD]

If this is a common practice, to outbid Scott then offer that item to him for more money, then this would be a good time to even the score  When they are offered to the LASCM, they could not buy them and leave the speculator holding two slot cars he has $7,000 invested in.    I would hope the spec guy likes them because he would be stuck with them.   Like a lot of auctions,  most bidders  probably dropped out at a  much lower price.    Looks like only two guys bid after $800.    So high bidder has to eat $7k and may not try this trick again.

Just my thinking out loud.

[Martin]

Matt, all I can tell is the bid # is the same in both auctions (11863) That # won the $1000 box but was not the high bidder on the Demon deuce.

 

Grabed this from Slotforum

TSRF says this

 

"the Testor Honda came in two different ways, the kit (not rare) and the early issue RTR (more scarce).  Now here is a conundrum: the Honda in that box is not what made that auction expensive, but the box itself, as as if the Terror T is effectively a relatively common car, I have only seen TWO boxes in good condition in like 15 years. Apparently, the LASCM was competing for it with someone else who may have grasped the rarity of that box, that is the only way I can explain it."

 

Does not say the LASCM won the box only it was competing. So now I am less sure who won.

This is the bid history on the 1k box and we can see (11863) only made one bid and (1924) made a few. Im guessing LASCM is a one and done kind of bidder?

 

a***0(11863) $1,048.00 29 Jun 2018 at 3:36:46PM PDT

2***o(1924) $1,023.00 29 Jun 2018 at 8:47:08AM PDT

2***o(1924) $987.00 29 Jun 2018 at 8:36:52AM PDT

2***o(1924) $699.00 26 Jun 2018 at 10:24:35PM PDT

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[Martin]

I have no knowledge otherwise, but was the winning bid legitimate or could it been somebody just playing around?

Bill I think your correct (0) bidders make me wonder too. Glad there not playing with my $3K Plus.

[MattD]

So it does appear that the bidder name they apply to you is the same  for every auction you bid on.   I thought that the bidder name was randomly generated  for every auction you bid on and was not the same all the time.    I learn something new every day.

[Martin]

 I still try to check that to make sure i do not bid up a friend but I am sure it happens unintentionally . Not sure why E-bay changed that. I have enough projects to last a life time and then some, so I am not much of a contender. More of a bottom feeder and just when I need a part to finish a project.

Wish there was a another way to trade parts in a non competitive environment, I guess that's what swap meets are all about.

[eggsplurt]

Looks like shilling....

[Martin]

Looks like shilling....

 

But intuition tells me the seller had no part in that. They look like a good seller although he does have a few negative feedbacks and would he take that risk. I believe (0)bidder maybe a bad player or had just opened a new account and had to have that item at any price. 

The seller did not relist. So I assume it sold.

[Bill from NH]

A couple questions I would have asked myself:

 

1.) Was the winning bid won with a "snipe"?

2.) If so, how close to the auction's end was the winning snipe made?

 

The LASCM usually makes a snipe with 5 seconds left in auctions. A few others will use 3.

[Martin]

-***r(0) $3,883.33 15 Jul 2018 at 2:34:09PM PDT  This was the one and only highest bid made 3+ hours prior to the end of auction.

a***0(11863) $3,833.33 15 Jul 2018 at 6:00:02PM PDT  This was a snipe bid made by the LASCM, but was not high enough to beat the bid that was placed at 2.34pm

[MSwiss]

I'm confused.

Was the LASCM snipe bid placed way too soon, or was it just "bad sniping"?

PS- I seldom bid on EBay, and certainly don't snipe, but why would they show a late bid, that was too low?

When I've bid too low on items, I'm pretty sure my crappy bids don't show in the history.

[Martin]

The snipe bid from LASCM was made with 5 seconds to go, it just was not enough.

[MSwiss]

Again, I know very little about sniping, but I thought the point of it is to automatically outbid the existing high bid.

[Martin]

Mike , a snipe bid will take the bid UP to the snipe amount, in this case the bid placed by (0) hours before was just higher.

A snipe is only about time not dollar amount. But it wont go higher than the dollar amount you put in and it wont go there unless there is another higher bid already in place (as in this case)bidder or there is a second sniper

[MSwiss]

I thought how my deceased friend, Manta Ray Price, described it, it automatically outbid the existing high one.

 

It was a long time ago.

 

I guess I misunderstood, or didn't remember correctly.

 

That all said, it seems weird, the too low snipe bid is so similar, digit wise.

 

Possibly, Scott intended to bid $3,933.33 ?

[Martin]

https://www.ebay.com...sniping?id=4224 This may help explain sniping?

 

"Possibly, Scott intended to bid $3,933.33 ?"

  Mike, that may not have been enough. You cannot tell what the existing bid is when you place your bid. Example, If the (0) bid was $8000 Scott would have to more to win.

Lets just say it was $8000 and Scott had bid $3.933.33 the bid would have gone to $3.983.33 ($50 dollars more) but he would still come up short. All it did was make (0) pay more, but (0) still wins.

[MSwiss]

Now I understand.

 

(0) did not specifically bid $3,883.33.

 

It's what registered when Scott placed his bid.

 

Thanks for taking the time to give me the tutorial.

 

PS-looking at it, the 2:34:09PM PDT bid, probably showed as $860, until Scott placed his snipe bid.

[Martin]

Your welcome Mike, it feels good to share.

Now we still would like to know did the (0) bidder disappear or did he complete the transaction? he had nothing to loose as a zero bidder, and many sellers block zero bidders for this reason. Only the LASCM and the seller knows how it all went down. I was hopping Scott or P would shed some light, but I do not want to pry. I assume they are busy placing all those slot car goodies on the museums selves.

We may have to wait to see if this Demon item shows up there.