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Posted 07 September 2018 - 06:50 PM

The 1967 Champion Arco "Nats" in Atlanta were a highlight of pro racing history, a series of races for F1, GT coupes, sports cars and stock cars in which Team Champion Bob Cozine was named "Grand Champion" without winning a single event but placing well in all. It is being described in detail in my upcoming book (no snide comments please) with comments by the people who were there.
The LASCM so far, had only one car in its collection from that event, the F1 winning entry of John Cukras, restored by Yours Truly. John later donated the winning plaque to the LASCM.

A few months ago, a pair of survivors from that event surfaced. Bob Emott had built cars for himself and others, all inline of course since the only anglewinder cars were still hidden in the Midwest where club racers were enjoying their superior handling. Somehow when the LASCM purchased Bob's collection of surviving cars (mostly chassis), several had already escaped and were in the hands of one of my contacts in New Jersey, and I was able to convince that very secretive person to "let go" of a pair of them. There was a stock car and an F1, in fact at this time, the only known examples of inline chassis built by Emott. The stocker was fortunately well documented as pictures of its chassis were printed in a Model Car Journal issue by Mike Morrissey. It had been loaned by Bob to Howie Ursaner who collected a fine 3rd place with it. That car has now been put back together with a replica body painted by Noose, and a replica Team Russkit motor as described to me by Ursaner.

The F1 however, was in doubt. When I first showed pictures of it in these pages, there was no real evidence of it being an Emott, and I based my conclusions from its construction style, especially in the way its lead weight over its drop arm had been fitted, with the arm's stop soldered directly to the lead weight, just as on the stocker. The chassis had a dropped front axle and Dynamic cast wheels, very unusual indeed.

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Well, after a bit more hair pulling, my source let go of a body that appears to have been the "backup" for this car, as it was already trimmed and fitted for it, and the doubts were instantly gone, as Bob's name was painted on it. More, the original Kean motor had survived, albeit in very rusty condition. It still had a piece of the blue Marklin lead wire favored by Emott still affixed to one of its terminals.

Now, the car has been cleaned, the corrosion on the motor removed, the motor rebuilt and installed in the chassis. Correct rear wheels and tires as well as a Weldun crown gear have been fitted, and NOS K&B tires mounted on the front wheels. New Marklin lead wires were used. A cox guide and period Cobra braided contacts finished the job.
The body was missing its driver, so I temporarily installed one Noose painted for me, but a proper example with soon be in the car.

So here are pictures of the finished car that will soon join the flotilla of genuine pro cars on display in the Los Angeles museum.

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The Dave Bloom painted 1966 Dynamic Ferrari 3-liter Fi body suffered minor storage damage and has a nice coat of grime, but will remain as found.

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There is a cut in the body to clear the crown gear, but it is almost invisible.

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As found, the left side of the front axle was badly bent, as Emott ran into trouble in the race and launched the car on the American 150' track's straightaway, effectively ending his race. This was repaired and rewired for strength.

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Bob Kean liked the Cox "NASCAR" 16D can and used them a lot, and this motor has that style of can with a pair of Arco "33" shimmed magnets, one of Kean's fine armatures and a stock Mabuchi endbell with Mura brush holders and Champion springs and spring posts. The armature was cleaned, the comm recut and the arm re-balanced, and NOS Champion shunted brushes were used in the rebuild. The endbell has a crack as the Delrin plastic has aged, but it is the original and I preferred to keep it with the motor rather than replacing it.

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The body is mounted with straight pins inserted in two 1/16" piece of brass tubing floating inside a larger tube soldered to the chassis.

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Another one saved...


 


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Posted 07 September 2018 - 07:04 PM

Dok,

 

 Thanks for sharing the story and the photos, fascinating. I was acquainted with Bob Emott and to see his work rediscovered and restored to this level of accuracy is most enjoyable !!!


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Posted 07 September 2018 - 08:02 PM

Beautiful restoration.
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Posted 08 September 2018 - 05:09 AM

Tonight, after watching the Jay Leno episode, I was telling my wife of some of the encounters I had with Bob, Howie, and (even) Bob Kean. Brought back some fond memories. My last meeting with Bob...  Waiting for luggage to arrive at Newark Airport. Bob was on chauffeur duty that night.
 
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Posted 08 September 2018 - 06:32 AM

Bob was a great guy and had the ability to analyze and come up with the best way to do things. He was always ahead of the curve in slot car and R/C design.

I miss him a lot. Everything I know about chassis building I do todayBbob took the time to teach me. He had figured how they worked better than anyone and I am so grateful he gifted me with his knowledge. Without it I was just be a geek throwing brass rod together with no rhyme or reason.
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Posted 08 September 2018 - 07:38 AM

Thanks for sharing, Philippe :D

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Posted 08 September 2018 - 07:43 AM

Awesome. Bob was a great friend and one heck of a builder.
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Posted 08 September 2018 - 07:54 AM

Thanks for posting this... love it!
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Posted 08 September 2018 - 10:15 AM

I love the whole car but especially the paint work on the body. It just screams PRO CAR to me!

 

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Posted 08 September 2018 - 12:47 PM

Great to see this car and the restoration work. I met Bob a few times during my stint living in Vermont. I raced pretty regularly in the NECC series and very occasionally in Bob's series which I think he titled "Metro". I got the chance to race at some pretty iconic raceways running in his series. I remember going to Lawnguyland to one of his races held at (I think) Racehampton and Bob was super helpful to a guy that had never been there, not at all familiar with the unique track, and also was not super familiar with his rules.

 

Amazing guy and personally, I think one of a kind.


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Posted 11 September 2018 - 08:15 PM

Forgive me for this, but I see pin tubes for two pins per side, and only one set of pins?

I wouldn't ask, except I have a need to know :mellow:


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Posted 11 September 2018 - 08:18 PM

Paul,
the two extra pins would break the budget. 




Seriously, the body was only punched for two, so I left it alone.  :)



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Posted 11 September 2018 - 08:26 PM

Thank you, that answers my question fine.

I'm well aware cars of that type can sometimes get by with a single set of pins.

 

But it appears the chassis was designed to have all four.

If it can be made to work with just one set, I'd say "Bravo" :)

 

I'll bet Noose and Bob would both agree :sun_bespectacled:


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 09:37 AM

Anybody know exactly what front wheels those are?

Herr Dokktor, what wire is on that Kean arm, please?

Is there a magazine writeup for that race, and if so, what issue of which mag, please?

 

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 10:40 AM

There were no pictures of this car in either model Car Journal or car model.




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Posted 03 October 2018 - 10:43 AM

Fronts I am sure would be the ones everyone used back then with the molded lettering on the side. I can’t remember who made them maybe competition? Rick Thigpen would know. If they fit the rim width I’m sure that’s what was used.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 10:57 AM

Lots of cars in the race report tech charts of the period used K&B hard vinyl front tires ground down to size. They were lettered either "GOODYEAR" or "FIRESTONE" as pictured below:

 

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The tires pictured still have their tread so their not ground down. That would make the K&B's rather large in diameter. They are a flat black color rather than the shiny gloss black of the K&B vinyl tires.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 10:58 AM

They are the ones.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 11:38 AM

I mean the WHEELS/ rims not the tires, sorry. Dokk said the tires were K & B, no doubt on that.

 

Thanks for the "no articles" info, Tony, now I can stop searching at least :)

I should be fine by just using Dokk's photos above.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:02 PM

.............The chassis had a dropped front axle and Dynamic cast wheels, very unusual indeed.............


Ah....but which Dynamic cast front wheels! Dynamic made a 4-spoke mag wheels but I don't have any packaged examples to get a name or part number from.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:07 PM

"The body is mounted with straight pins inserted in two 1/16" piece of brass tubing floating inside a larger tube soldered to the chassis."
 
PDL, Tony,
When I came up with perimeter car #001, in 1984, I hadn't remember seeing Bob's chassis.

 

I came up with the floating body system, inspired by the square brass tube bite bar upstops, on the Parma Brasskar, I assume Bud designed.
 
Was that common on F1 chassis, of that era, or was it just a 'Bob thing?'

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:26 PM

They are the ones.


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       That's what almost everyone ran and they were a bitch to cut accurately.  Being vinyl, even if you got them close on a Unimat with an Exacto knife, almost any grinding would cause them to gum up as they got hot.  I remember cutting a lot of them undersize until I figured out what to do!



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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:33 PM

Hello Mike,
Technology is always re-inventing it self.
A floating body mounting with a 1/16" tubing slipped inside a 3/32" piece was actually quite common in the mid to late 1960s, even at the production stage. Pactra for example, used the system on all their 1st and 2nd generation chassis for both open wheel car and sports cars, and used it on their 1st generation RTR open-wheel cars (Lola, Eagle etc.) but interestingly did not use it on the 2nd generation RTR cars they produced!

Just about ever open-wheel "pro racing" car we have at the LASCM, built by anyone from Emott to Cukras to Steube to Morrissey has there bodies mounted that way.
By the time I got to be a pro racer myself, no one used that any longer because everyone was now using the dual hinged side pans, achieving most of the same effect.

By the time you built those clever perimeter chassis, the side pans had disappeared, hence, you re-invented the early floating mount, to your credit.
Then came the hypodermic syringe tubing, another step toward greater speed through minuscule improvement! 
 

Other questions:
 

Anybody know exactly what front wheels those are?

Herr Dokktor, what wire is on that Kean arm, please?

Is there a magazine writeup for that race, and if so, what issue of which mag, please?

As Rick pointed out, they are aluminum die-cast 4-spoke Dynamic jobs with K&B tires. They have screw on reducers to 1/16" wire. The dropped front axle is not a commercial product. it is hand bent.

The armature wire appears to be a # 26AWG but it is hard to tell. Many, many moons ago, I traded stuff Bob needed for a little pile of chassis, motor parts, Kean and Tango motors and armatures etc. this was easily 10 years before Tony, Bob and I got together at the former Trinity HQ in NJ, where Bob passed on his collection of chassis (at least the ones he could find) to the LASCM.

There are several magazine articles in MCJ, Car Model and maybe MCR about the December 1967 "Nats" in Atlanta, with some pictures, but not of this particular car, and Bob did not make the main event in the F1 class. Cukras won that one and luckily, that car has survived too and is displayed now next to the Emott car on a shelf at the LASCM.

I feel very privileged to be the one restoring these cars, because while our hobby may not be that big of a deal in the realm of world events, it is what we love, what we do, and its history must be recorded for future generations to learn what they missed. 
 

 


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:52 PM

Thanks Dokk. Which of these, if either, would work?

 

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 01:04 PM

Paul, neither because the top ones are "Classic", the lower ones are Dynamic but the incorrect pattern. You need the Dynamic 4-spoke jobs. I don't have a picture handy, the best i can do is this one that shows the 4-spoke pattern. It is a relatively common Dynamic wheel, you should have little trouble finding some. Of course it's easy for me to say! 

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