Jump to content




Photo

Honker II


  • Please log in to reply
29 replies to this topic

#1 Jairus

Jairus

    Body Painter Extraordinaire

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,919 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Salem, OR

Posted 13 November 2018 - 03:07 PM

A while back a slot car guy sent me a few projects.  The most interesting was this Honker II with a Pactra Hemi motor.

2v2E2WjbHxubMLY.jpg

To that end I started collecting wheels, tires inserts and other bits.
About a month ago I had enough to start soldering and constructed a chassis.
Not a replica of anything but based on the non-moveable pans and solid tongue, it fits in about the late 1967 era.
Floppy pans were out due to the very low cut of the body.  Just NO room for anything to flex, and even the interior I choose required modification.

The Chassis:
2v2E2Wj1LxubMLY.jpg

 

2v2E2WjpgxubMLY.jpg

Sorry, I don't do long build threads anymore.  
Usually I end up making lots of changes during the process so to that end, I will finish the car and then post a build thread.
B:)


  • slotbaker, Jencar17, Tex and 9 others like this

Jairus H Watson - Artist
Need something painted, soldered, carved, or killed? - jairuswtsn@aol.com

www.slotcarsmag.com

www.jairuswatson.net
http://www.ratholecustoms.com
Check out some of the cool stuff on my Fotki!





#2 Jairus

Jairus

    Body Painter Extraordinaire

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,919 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Salem, OR

Posted 13 November 2018 - 03:18 PM

Two things I learned working on this project was the Hemi motor had screw holes that were crap requiring me to solder machine nuts inside the can.
The second thing I learned was the brushes were locked up in the tubes with corrosion.
Motor no go!  :mega_shok: 

2v2E2M9jyxubMLY.jpg

 

So, motor torn apart, cleaned up and new brushes ordered from E.J.'s  (Thank you Ed!)
Runs beautifully and strong now!

Second part of the progress that took a while was modification of the interior.
While the Honker II windshield is massive.... the cockpit is actually a fairly small opening.
Sheet styrene was used to fill the gaps and would be primed and painted body color eventually.

2v2E2WjBFxubMLY.jpg

2v2E2Wj7gxubMLY.png

 

Eventually the post delivered the new brushes and decals from Patto's.

B:)


  • slotbaker, Jencar17, Maximo and 3 others like this

Jairus H Watson - Artist
Need something painted, soldered, carved, or killed? - jairuswtsn@aol.com

www.slotcarsmag.com

www.jairuswatson.net
http://www.ratholecustoms.com
Check out some of the cool stuff on my Fotki!


#3 Jairus

Jairus

    Body Painter Extraordinaire

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,919 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Salem, OR

Posted 13 November 2018 - 03:32 PM

Paint is Pactra custom mix I used a while back for another Honker II.  But this time I added some "Pearl Purple".  The reason is because I believe that is why the real Honker's color is so hard to pin down due to pearl added to the mix.
Works for me anyway.

2v2E3qpjTxubMLY.jpg

Patto's decals went down smooth with a touch of Walthers "Solvaset" where required.

2v2EvfzsBxubMLY.jpg

 

Shortly after this I put a bit of lead on the tongue bringing the total weight to 134kg.

I went back and forth on the wheel inserts.
Seems the team used both 6 spoke and 12 spoke during racing so... I picked the 6 because I like the look.

2v2EvfzktxubMLY.jpg

 

Interior closeup.
Base mold is/was for a Ferrari 330 and modified with sheet styrene.
Then primed with Tamiya white prior to spraying the newly mixed Honker II color.
A few days drying later I shot the interior with three gloss coats of Tamiya TS-13 clear.
Left to dry for 3 days before painting the driver and other details.

2v2EvfzCtxubMLY.jpg

 

B:)


  • slotbaker, Jencar17, Tex and 6 others like this

Jairus H Watson - Artist
Need something painted, soldered, carved, or killed? - jairuswtsn@aol.com

www.slotcarsmag.com

www.jairuswatson.net
http://www.ratholecustoms.com
Check out some of the cool stuff on my Fotki!


#4 NY Nick

NY Nick

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,038 posts
  • Joined: 14-December 07

Posted 13 November 2018 - 03:38 PM

Thanks for posting, true master nice car


Nick Cerulli

#5 olescratch

olescratch

    olescratch

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 905 posts
  • Joined: 19-July 13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ravenna, OH

Posted 13 November 2018 - 03:39 PM

Another fine build!  How do you make the velocity stacks?  


John Stewart

#6 Jairus

Jairus

    Body Painter Extraordinaire

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,919 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Salem, OR

Posted 13 November 2018 - 03:42 PM

Final pics.
(Velocity stacks and exhaust dump pipes were provided by Dubro John)

2v2EvfzGsxubMLY.jpg

 

2v2EvfzFixubMLY.jpg

 

2v2EvAooDxubMLY.jpg

 

2v2EvAoJkxubMLY.jpg

Fin  :dirol:


  • slotbaker, Jencar17, n.elmholt and 10 others like this

Jairus H Watson - Artist
Need something painted, soldered, carved, or killed? - jairuswtsn@aol.com

www.slotcarsmag.com

www.jairuswatson.net
http://www.ratholecustoms.com
Check out some of the cool stuff on my Fotki!


#7 MG Brown

MG Brown

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,828 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Cumberland Plateau - Known locally as "Paradise"

Posted 13 November 2018 - 03:43 PM

FYI

 

Screen Shot 2018-11-13 at 2.41.50 PM.png

 

Screen Shot 2018-11-13 at 2.41.41 PM.png

 

Screen Shot 2018-11-13 at 2.41.31 PM.png

 

Screen Shot 2018-11-13 at 2.41.18 PM.png

 

Screen Shot 2018-11-13 at 2.41.08 PM.png

 

Screen Shot 2018-11-13 at 2.40.59 PM.png

 

Photos from 2001.


  • Jencar17, Maximo, miko and 3 others like this

Sure I have a retirement plan, I plan to build and race slot cars.


#8 Maximo

Maximo

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,699 posts
  • Joined: 31-August 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:San Antonio, TX

Posted 13 November 2018 - 03:44 PM

Why was it called "Honker II"?

 

Because the original was a Le Mans prototype called P68 or F3L that was not raced and was converted to a Can Am racer later by Holman & Moody without success!

 

I wish THAT clear body would be made!

 

Omixam

Attached Images

  • Ford_F3L P68 1968_10.jpg

  • Tex, Half Fast and C. J. Bupgoo like this
David Ray Siller
Retired Video Game Creator/Designer/Producer
Thingies are my thingie!

#9 Jairus

Jairus

    Body Painter Extraordinaire

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,919 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Salem, OR

Posted 13 November 2018 - 03:48 PM

I wish I could figure out a good way to make head light buckets.  Everything I make tends to pop out taking chunks of paint with them.


Jairus H Watson - Artist
Need something painted, soldered, carved, or killed? - jairuswtsn@aol.com

www.slotcarsmag.com

www.jairuswatson.net
http://www.ratholecustoms.com
Check out some of the cool stuff on my Fotki!


#10 Bill from NH

Bill from NH

    Age scrubs away speed!

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,447 posts
  • Joined: 02-August 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Boston, NH

Posted 13 November 2018 - 04:31 PM

Another great build Jairus! The chassis appears to be built strong. I particularly like how you handled the interior gaps with sheet styrene. Once painted, they appear to just be part of the body. I'll have to remember how you did that.


Bill Fernald
 

I intend to live forever!  So far, so good.  :laugh2:  :laugh2: 


#11 miko

miko

    X Speed & Sport Racer

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 338 posts
  • Joined: 01-September 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lincoln City, OR

Posted 13 November 2018 - 04:32 PM

Beautiful car Jairus!


Marinko Mueller

#12 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 16,325 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Johnson Bayou, Mississippi Gulf Coast

Posted 13 November 2018 - 04:39 PM

Love it Jairus :heart: :heart: :heart:


Paul Wolcott


#13 don.siegel

don.siegel

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,013 posts
  • Joined: 17-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Paris, France

Posted 13 November 2018 - 05:28 PM

That's a beautifully painted and detailed body Jairus - congrats! 

 

Don 



#14 Dallas Racer

Dallas Racer

    Posting Leader

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,481 posts
  • Joined: 03-November 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dallas, TX

Posted 13 November 2018 - 05:38 PM

That's awesome, Jairus!  :good: 


Phil Smith ® ©


#15 MattD

MattD

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,011 posts
  • Joined: 13-August 11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:IN

Posted 13 November 2018 - 05:46 PM

Another outstanding job.    I am envious of your talent!


Matt Bishop

Vintage Cox Slot Cars

#16 stoo23

stoo23

    On The Lead Lap

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 370 posts
  • Joined: 26-July 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sydney, Australia

Posted 14 November 2018 - 09:47 PM

Hmmm,.. Very Nice !!,.. :)

 

As I too have owned one of those 'Original' Honker II bodies for many years,.. something along similar lines might make for a fun build project, to finally give the Body/car some life and track time !!,.. :)

 

Thanks for Another beautiful 'Build' and perhaps 'inspiration' !!,.. :)

 

 

Also (and Without wishing to create any 'Thread Drift') as such,.. but Mainly due to the P68 / F3L being one of My All time Favourite and arguably 'Gorgeous' racing cars !! :)

 

With regard to:-

 

Because the original was a Le Mans prototype called P68 or F3L that was not raced and was converted to a Can Am racer later by Holman & Moody without success!

 

May it be 'suggested', that if Anything,.. it would have been the Other way around, due to the Different Years of 'Appearance', the 'Honker II' (Designed in the latter half of 1966), pre Dating the P68 by at least a Year !!

 

As to the cars actually being the Same, or 'Derivatives' as such,.. I would perhaps suggest, the 'Inherent Similarity', is realistically More of merely a 'Family' Resemblance of Design 'Style' over that 'Period' by the Aero-Dynamicist, Len Bailey, as can also be seen even in his slightly later designs of the Mirage and the Open Sports Ford.

They Were Separate and individual Design Projects and Budgets (arguably Inadequately Small even at the time !!) I guess it could perhaps be argued that the Honker Served as a 'Base' or basis leading to the P68 ?? There Do seem to be some inherent differences :)

 

All the cars were 'Built' by Alan Mann Racing in England, with Holman & Moody providing (in the case of the Honker, the Powerplant and US Race team Crew & support etc).

 

It IS worth Noting that the P68 / F3L DID race on quite a number of occasions, (although perhaps sadly without any great success).

See here:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_P68

 

Cheers


Stewart Amos

Old 'Phhtt' Racer from Sydney, Australia
FASTUFF Race Proven Products

#17 Martin

Martin

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,154 posts
  • Joined: 22-February 09
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:US

Posted 15 November 2018 - 01:27 AM

Another beautifully built car Jairus. A lot of nice details :good:


Martin Windmill

#18 dc-65x

dc-65x

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,816 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Captain Rick: The only vintage slot car nut in SW Oregon?

Posted 15 November 2018 - 11:39 AM

Beautiful Jairus! :good:


Rick Thigpen
Check out Steve Okeefe's great web site at its new home here at Slotblog:
The Independent Scratchbuilder
There's much more to come...


#19 Regis4446

Regis4446

    On The Lead Lap

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 407 posts
  • Joined: 24-March 10
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:France

Posted 15 November 2018 - 12:34 PM

Very nice car, nice job Jairus.
RĂ©gis Baron

#20 Jairus

Jairus

    Body Painter Extraordinaire

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,919 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Salem, OR

Posted 15 November 2018 - 02:28 PM

Yeah.... not done yet.
I want to center the rear wheel in the opening.
An opening I did NOT cut, but was cut by Dubro and in NO way matches the original car.

This means moving the body backward 1/16".
That adds 4 new pin holes and means beveling the guide weight.  Arrg....

It's been bugging me for two days, but I know what I need to do.

:dash2:


Jairus H Watson - Artist
Need something painted, soldered, carved, or killed? - jairuswtsn@aol.com

www.slotcarsmag.com

www.jairuswatson.net
http://www.ratholecustoms.com
Check out some of the cool stuff on my Fotki!


#21 Dave Crevie

Dave Crevie

    Posting Leader

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,393 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 09

Posted 15 November 2018 - 02:48 PM

Well, I'll throw my hat in the ring here. After talking to Lee Holman at the Historics at R/A the year the car was there, the car

was designed by Len Bailey and constructed by Alan Mann Racing for the Holman-Moody team. Since it still exists in it's

original form, and the ill-fated Ford 3 Litre is also still running around, I would say they are not the same car. That is not to

say that Len Bailey didn't design both cars. I'll have to do some research on that.

 

The "Honker" was appearantly atrocious to drive, since Mario told Paul Newman when he declined to drive it in the series

 that Paul could drive the car if he thought it was so fast.

 

Incedently, I had a Holman-Moody sticker on the back of my Mustang, signed by Lee.    



#22 MattD

MattD

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,011 posts
  • Joined: 13-August 11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:IN

Posted 15 November 2018 - 04:01 PM

It's been a long time since I watched it, but I think one of the  "Glory Days" shows about CANAM at Road America(maybe) has Mario on camera saying "put my name on the front of it and let Paul drive it".


Matt Bishop

Vintage Cox Slot Cars

#23 A. J. Hoyt

A. J. Hoyt

    Race Leader

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 704 posts
  • Joined: 27-March 09
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Louisville, CO

Posted 15 November 2018 - 10:21 PM

Nice build, Mr. Jairus, faithful to the way the car was raced.

 

Someone DID make the Ford P68 body, wide enough to be raced as a Retro GTC car (I did paint and race it) - made by a Brit, I believe, can't remember the name.

 

The Red Fox Honker II is not a terrible body to race in Can Am. I brought one to the Sano IV, my first IRRA Premier race and to some IRRL races. I took some guff from the other racers that I wasn't being serious enough about my racing and they "forced" a TI-22 on me (ugh!). Pablo posted a picture of the body in the Sano IV Race:

 

http://slotblog.net/...rs/#entry289943

 

The Honker II has such a nice, smooth "canvas" to paint caricatures on. I also did a salute to the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers on the rear deck running onto the spoiler:

 

FFFB Controller 24-cropped rr.jpg

FFFB Detail 26 r.jpg

 

Yup, that's a Honker II ... too. (Freewheelin' Franklin was edited with a controller in his hand - the original image was not "family friendly" and we let visitors to the raceway judge "Concours" winners).

 

Not wanting to "hijack" the thread - mostly just wanted to show that it is a viable racing body.

 

Jairus, I really love the "original treatment.

 

Now, back to Jairus' genius!


  • Jairus and NSwanberg like this

Sorry about the nerf. "Sorry? Sorry? There's no apologizing in slot car racing!" 

Besides, where would I even begin?   I should probably start with my wife ...

 

"I don't often get very many "fast laps" but I very often get many laps quickly."

 

The only thing I know about slot cars is if I had a good time when I leave the building! I can count the times I didn't on one hand!

Former Home Track - Slot Car Speedway and Hobbies, Longmont, CO, Noteworthy for the 155' Hillclimb track featuring the THUNDER-DONUT - "Two men enter; one man leaves!"


#24 MSwiss

MSwiss

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Advertiser
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,288 posts
  • Joined: 16-April 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 15 November 2018 - 10:26 PM

It was probably Dilworth who did/does a P68.

 

I tried to run the Honker, early in the Retro game.

 

On my flat track, it seemed great one day, and bad the next.

 

I'm not sure, but the back might of been collapsing.


  • NSwanberg likes this

Mike Swiss
 
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder

17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)

Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 5858 Chase Ave., Downers Grove, IL 60516


#25 A. J. Hoyt

A. J. Hoyt

    Race Leader

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 704 posts
  • Joined: 27-March 09
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Louisville, CO

Posted 15 November 2018 - 10:33 PM

I does collapse - it required a .016 wire brace in the back to support it or it would fold down onto the tires!

 

Same deal with the Dilworth P68 GTC (you remembered the name, thanks Mike), also, not a terrible racing body.

 

DSCF1188.JPG

 

A humbling moment - in its second race, I noticed the Honker II started to peel, like a snake shedding its skin. I didn't realize that the Red Fox bodies had an extra "skin" on the outside and raced it that way. Duh!

 

But when I peeled the rest of it off, it lost the "fuzziness" and a beautiful, sharp and shiny image replaced the old one! I bet it went a little faster after that, too ...


  • Jencar17 and NSwanberg like this

Sorry about the nerf. "Sorry? Sorry? There's no apologizing in slot car racing!" 

Besides, where would I even begin?   I should probably start with my wife ...

 

"I don't often get very many "fast laps" but I very often get many laps quickly."

 

The only thing I know about slot cars is if I had a good time when I leave the building! I can count the times I didn't on one hand!

Former Home Track - Slot Car Speedway and Hobbies, Longmont, CO, Noteworthy for the 155' Hillclimb track featuring the THUNDER-DONUT - "Two men enter; one man leaves!"






Electric Dreams Online Shop