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#26 brucefl

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 02:38 PM

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 03:08 PM

1     turn off the computer

 

2    go build something and be happy 


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Posted 22 November 2018 - 03:11 PM

Plenty of information here, http://slotblog.net/...scratchbuilder/


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Posted 22 November 2018 - 04:09 PM

Racing and building vintage from back in the past will never happen on any level other than a few local guys playing around. RETRO has a lot of great builders with a large percentage of those picking up an iron today not even alive during the day, and really having no interest or connection with the past.

Look at the retro builds, especially RETRO east, and you will see much creativity driven by the strict rule package which drives the builders to really think to come up with the new “HOT TICKET” chassis wise. I think there is more creativity now with more great builders then back in the day when everything was copied primarily from Bob Emott, Mike Steube and a few others.


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Posted 22 November 2018 - 04:54 PM

The current retro class's allow plenty of "vintage" style building!! Just get out your soldering iron and start going to town!! These cars ARE very close to the 60's era cars---motors and tires are VASTLY improved--and the rules allow a LOT of creativity in chassis development which is exactly what the designers of this racing wanted!! To date---this IS the most successful racing in the last 50 years!! Jump in and enjoy---Happy Thanksgiving!!


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Posted 22 November 2018 - 05:45 PM

1     turn off the computer

 

2    go build something and be happy 

 

I feel for Bruce.

 

I spend so much time "getting inspiration" that I don't have time to do anything..... lol



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Posted 22 November 2018 - 08:48 PM

I am not associated in this effort to bring back racing of cars from the 1910-1972 period, while I would like to see it happen I just keep my old "Big Iron" at the ready. When I dropped by AZSCR in the early 80's and put down one of my 27-28's in the car I last ran at Jack's Raceway I turned heads with the wail of a 70's open, too bad it spun rubber all over the place. I've still got my NOS arms etc. ready to go should the "Big Iron" ever be needed once again. Kind of like the USS Iowa.

 

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 09:26 PM

RETRO has a lot of great builders with a large percentage of those picking up an iron today not even alive during the day, and really having no interest or connection with the past.

 

I was alive and I'm still not interested in vintage pro racing cars, even though I own some. I much prefer the vintage production, non-angle winder stuff.


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Posted 22 November 2018 - 09:59 PM

I guess it depends on what 'vintage' you like.  I think more about building along the 'jail door' lines an limiting tire sizes and making aerodynamics a minor issue with limited motors.  I saw the 1/1 racing of the 1950 - 1970 era on some of the best real flat tracks like Road America, Meadowdale, Riverside and Laguna Seca. ..and many more on the TV in F-1 and CanAm.

 

Banked tracks make the racing of model cars too easy, but modern controllers make flat tracks much easier to be fun.


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Posted 22 November 2018 - 10:04 PM

I get it my interest is not commercially viable and a pain in the button to recreate,but that doesn't stop,the appeal of the 66 corvette(or emote 70s car) even though there now exists the bugatti veyron and even more advanced supercars(or group 7, 1 second lap cars)

I guess the new retro class is like what group 20 was back in the day a cheap commercially viable fun for all class.

But I'm sure deep inside all of us still remains that frustration of wanting to have been competitive in the day like emote and built and raced those works of art and won,and that's all I'm yearning to finally have the opportunity to fulfill that dream from back then (since back then a lot of us were a little too young to match emotts and others sofistication and financial resourses,now does everybody understand,some of us were just a little to young to fulfill that dream then and now we can if the same cars were allowed to race,and those specific cars are what we were enchanted with,retro can't fulfill that dream.just like my brothers 1965 GTO 389 six pack is the classic car I wish to collect and drive.

Got it get it,now when can I finally fulfill my dream?
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Posted 22 November 2018 - 10:16 PM

Sorry Never going to happen. Build some cars and get some friends together and you can race whatever you wish. If you want to race a style of car that parts are no longer available to build, go for it. Don’t expect anyone else to do it for you. Ain’t gonna happen.

Have you ever even gone to a retro race or any race in recent history to see what is actually going on?


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Posted 22 November 2018 - 10:24 PM

2007 was the last time a track existed in my area,and I raced or should I say practiced with some cars I bought off ebay,and 3 second lap car,and no before the track owner stole my equipment he was building me some 1+ second lap group 7 cars,plus the famous family of slots for 40 years had a track where national champions raced breakout races.thats my last experiences,no more tracks are available to race where I'm at.
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Posted 22 November 2018 - 11:08 PM

I am going to say what a lot of guys are thinking.   Bruce, have you ever built anything???  Can you solder two pieces of brass together.  We see these types of posts from you about every  month, but you never show us anything you build.    You are beating a dead horse.    All this talk of building chassis from the past.    Why don't you build one and show us.  

 

I build simple, inline,  ugly stuff, but I do build and keep trying to do better. Get started!!!     


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Posted 22 November 2018 - 11:12 PM

Bruce, checkout slotracing.se From the Past , chassis to see pics of euro chassis from 1967-2000. Lots of cool brass and solder
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Posted 23 November 2018 - 12:24 AM

Bruce, I really think you should give retro racing a try. When I got back into slots a couple of years ago after a 15 year hiatus, I was not a fan of retro racing at all. I couldn't see myself racing inline cars that had huge front wheels on a solid axle! They looked like giant womps to me! My buddy Richard built a couple and brought them to the track one day and after fiddling and tuning them for a while I decided to give them a try. The racing is incredible and it's at a speed that I can actually follow and drive the car. The racing is close and intense, but everyone seems to have a good time anyway! And there are certainly more variations in chassis design than there ever was back in the day. You can buy a kit, or just a motor bracket, guide tongue, and a pile of K&S brass and wire and build till your hearts content! Try it, You'll like it!



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Posted 23 November 2018 - 12:30 AM

There is some cool stuff here,http://www.slotracing.se/past.html

Thank Mike.

Bruce I did not get enough of that 67-70 time period. So I collect, restore to recapture those times. But the saying "history looks better in the rear view mirror" comes to mind.

 

If were you, I would recreate your vintage dream slot cars. I am sure you would get plenty of respect and help here if you did that.

 

Be the change you want to see. I bet there will be folks you could then get together with and try to capture that time in history, If just for a moment. Similar to other forms of historic racing.

 

I have raced with these blocks in the U.K. They do a great job and you would love this format. These are their rules. You can find more info if you like. They have been around for long time

 

http://www.raceway81...oSportsCars.pdf

 

Bruce, be the Pro and Test and forget the "protest protest protest" B.S.


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Posted 23 November 2018 - 06:44 AM

I am going to say what a lot of guys are thinking.   Bruce, have you ever built anything???  Can you solder two pieces of brass together.  We see these types of posts from you about every  month, but you never show us anything you build.    You are beating a dead horse.    All this talk of building chassis from the past.    Why don't you build one and show us.  

 

I build simple, inline,  ugly stuff, but I do build and keep trying to do better. Get started!!!     

yes i built in the day and raced them at glen oaks,and even in 1987 built a tripod chassis and put my jim greenaway 24s motor from the 1970s,in 2005 i pieced together some cars i got from ebay and bought fast freddies complete group 7 and group 27 cars and parts and got help to piece together cars.

 

sorrily all those are gone,got a ton of vintage both cars and parts.but i just want to pickup where i left off in the early 70s and fulfill that bucket list,but without others doing the same i cant get excited or motivated or pumped up.even if theres a small few out there who feel the same as me,maybe we can start a grassroots movement (in europe it seems theres more interest in this),id also get into the other classes but this is my priority.as far as parts are concerned chassis builders here seem to create their own almost 100%,and there are so many parts on ebay,but remember the compromise is vintage like,its not critical.

 

Anyway if those who feel similiar to me want to start something up this is the perfect venue,let me hear from you,hopefully i wont just hear crickets,im awaiting your responses,Happy Holidays.


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Posted 23 November 2018 - 06:45 AM

By the way I raced that tripod chassis car i built at zeppellin raceway in joisey.


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Posted 23 November 2018 - 06:53 AM

Bruce, I really think you should give retro racing a try. When I got back into slots a couple of years ago after a 15 year hiatus, I was not a fan of retro racing at all. I couldn't see myself racing inline cars that had huge front wheels on a solid axle! They looked like giant womps to me! My buddy Richard built a couple and brought them to the track one day and after fiddling and tuning them for a while I decided to give them a try. The racing is incredible and it's at a speed that I can actually follow and drive the car. The racing is close and intense, but everyone seems to have a good time anyway! And there are certainly more variations in chassis design than there ever was back in the day. You can buy a kit, or just a motor bracket, guide tongue, and a pile of K&S brass and wire and build till your hearts content! Try it, You'll like it!

I cant stand inlines except F1,just the thought of slowing down the car over its anglewinder companion gets me nauseous,sorry,even F1 have anglewinder  chassis in the day.my first car that i raced was an f1 inline that gunther faas gave me and him and jim greenay volunteered as my pit crew in a glen oaks race that was in car model charlie harris column.


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Posted 23 November 2018 - 06:53 AM

Bruce I respect what you are trying to do but at the same time I suggest to get yourself started I would build some legal Retro East chassis and try your hand at racing them. While this may not be the exact era you are interested in I think you will enjoy it!!


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Posted 23 November 2018 - 06:55 AM

Plus the retro cars are faster then the cars of the era you so crave.


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Posted 23 November 2018 - 06:57 AM

There is some cool stuff here,http://www.slotracing.se/past.html

Thank Mike.

Bruce I did not get enough of that 67-70 time period. So I collect, restore to recapture those times. But the saying "history looks better in the rear view mirror" comes to mind.

 

If were you, I would recreate your vintage dream slot cars. I am sure you would get plenty of respect and help here if you did that.

 

Be the change you want to see. I bet there will be folks you could then get together with and try to capture that time in history, If just for a moment. Similar to other forms of historic racing.

 

I have raced with these blocks in the U.K. They do a great job and you would love this format. These are their rules. You can find more info if you like. They have been around for long time

 

http://www.raceway81...oSportsCars.pdf

 

Bruce, be the Pro and Test and forget the "protest protest protest" B.S.

maybe ive gotta reach out to our european neighbors for the inspiration then travel there and race,sounds like a plan stan


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Posted 23 November 2018 - 07:04 AM

Bruce I respect what you are trying to do but at the same time I suggest to get yourself started I would build some legal Retro East chassis and try your hand at racing them. While this may not be the exact era you are interested in I think you will enjoy it!!

i think tottenheim is the place for me,if it was good enough for emott its good enough for me,just gotta figure out how to connect with them and get involved,i even have a replica of the emott chassis,and tony ill bet with todays power plants i could get it to run a 3second lap,do you agree,i got a flexi chassis to do that.


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Posted 23 November 2018 - 07:07 AM

Hey America dont let the UK overtake you in the cutting edge of back from the future vintage racing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 23 November 2018 - 07:15 AM

Im going to contact the guy whos from outside usa who was also trying to do this,and we ll leave you guys in the dust,but i know usa you ll see this the play catch up and pass us,lets see,maybe thats the inspiration you guys need,so lets go living in the past(jethro tull),and fast forward to the future to back from the future vintage racing.

 

tonyp fire up your iron i can hear the orders coming into your mailbox.


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