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#1 Geary Carrier

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 01:27 AM

Putting together another big block but decided to use one of two 36D arms wound for me by Champion 507 of this very blog, I just tied, epoxied and roasted them on the spit. They should be back from grind/balance soon.

 

I will be using his 60/28 arm on the left as opposed to his 75/29 on the right. The arms are wound with solderable wire rated at 155C and attached to the comm tabs with 95/5 silver bearing solder. Excellent winding job...

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Remembered that I had a couple of 36D cans with totally dead Arco magnets. Pulled out one set of magnets and zapped them on a low carbon steel slug and presto chango we get about 1200 Gauss on the meter with the magnets back in the can. It took a 20 mil shim on the open side of the Arco flux yoke to center the magnets properly.

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Not sure what kind of brush hardware to put on the end bell but there must be something somewhere...

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 06:38 AM

Looks spiffy Geary, and 36Ds run great with good magnets (*as opposed to those magnet-like things Mabuchi used in their place).  :)  The Champion end bell shown should work with standard hardware,  and make for better "breathing" up there.  Maybe do something about locking everything in place, like soldering the hoods to the brush tubes, and add post sleeves...standard type stuff.  Of course, you *could* make anything else "work"...even Mura hardware, but it would be a little bit of a shame with a Champion in such good shape.  Neat stuff!


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 09:25 AM

Sweet! Doug's work has always been great for me.

 

Professor Motor still sells 36D endbell hardware.......


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 10:57 AM

Sweet! Doug's work has always been great for me.

 

Professor Motor still sells 36D endbell hardware.......

 

They also have the entire end bells WITH hardware and lead wires even!  :)


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 11:38 AM

Thank you gentlemen...

 

I thought Doug's work deserved a bit of exposure again.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 11:42 AM

  Of course, you *could* make anything else "work"...even Mura hardware, but it would be a little bit of a shame with a Champion in such good shape.  Neat stuff!

 

We don't do any weird stuff around here, so I'm sure it will be just your basic boring build, but ya never know...


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 11:56 PM

Doug's 65/28 back from grind and balance. ID of magnets is .687 OD of arm is .667, decent fit for this motor, should perform nicely...

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Plenty of room in here.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:00 AM

Geary,

 

I am truly honored you chose my arms for this project. Both arms were removed from NOS Monogram X-220 motors I got in a lot on eBay, so they have zero miles on them. The appearance of them after the grind and balance is amazing. I am anxiously looking forward to seeing the completed mills. I must say your craftsmanship is certainly top notch! Oh BTW, Professor Motor sells everything for the Champion 707 Celcon endbell, INCLUDING the bare endbell, except for the bushing or ball bearing.

 

Build on, sir.  :good:  :good:  :good:

 

(Pablo, thank you for your kind words in post #3)


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:40 AM

Had the old Instamatic out so before I forget here are two more of Doug's arms after grind and balance.

 

The 75/29 shown above

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A 16D 75/31 for another day

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 01:02 AM

The Nickel plated brass brush hardware was nixed by the powers that be. They subtly suggested that I might make this little fixture to hold the end bell and then mill each side flat and coplanar. They want me to put 1/2 hard .025" thick ETP copper on each side and go from there. I told them they needed professional help...

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 02:00 AM

                                                                                         "Hmmmm..."   :rolleyes: 


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Posted 16 December 2018 - 01:06 AM

HI Doug,

 

Those are fantastic looking armatures!

 

I really like the greenish coating - but I mentioned that already in another thread!

 

I like "big blocks" Geary, and it's looking great!

 

I'm excited to view more photos please.

 

Thank you.

 

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Posted 18 December 2018 - 01:49 AM

Thank you Ernie. But, to me, the grind/balance is really what enhances the appearance of these arms. I also like the dark epoxy Geary uses.

 

Yes, add me to the list of those wanting to see more of this build!  :popcorm1:


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Posted 19 December 2018 - 09:53 AM

I concur with Doug . . . ."pictures - pictures - more pictures"  . . . . please?! LOL

 

Thank you Geary!

 

Ernie


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Posted 26 December 2018 - 02:02 AM

Should provide a sufficient temperature gradient. Quite a bit of overkill for this arm but for proof of concept it will suffice.

Would have been quite a bit easier with older Champion C can brush hoods but I'm getting low on my supply so I used Mura buss bars.

 

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Posted 26 December 2018 - 05:50 AM

Looks nice ...and sturdy too!


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Posted 26 December 2018 - 06:12 AM

Nuts.... :laugh2:


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Posted 27 December 2018 - 08:35 PM

"Monster Motor" yeaaaaaaaah!

 

Looking great Geary!

 

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Posted 29 December 2018 - 06:45 PM

Pulls 1.5 amps @ 6 volts and runs strong and smooth.

 

End bell is way more than this arm needs. The copper plate works rather well in pulling heat from the brushes and will do nicely in a segmented neo mag 23 skidoo project, if I can find someone foolish enough to build it.

 

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 03:40 PM

What a "work of art" Geary!

 

Very - very nice!

 

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 03:58 PM

Thank you Ernie...


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 04:18 PM

You're very welcome Geary!

 

I'm only "stating the fact" about the beauty of that motor of yours.

 

Wish we could hear it run - It must sound "sweet"!

 

What's next Geary?! 

 

Stroker Big Block - 36D perhaps?!?! - LOL

 

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 06:53 PM

WOW!  :shok:  Geary, that setup not only ROCKS, but it is ready for a 25 turns of #24 wire arm  :good:  The after touches done to the arm I wound made a silk purse out of a sow's ear for sure!!!

 

Top shelf craftsmanship and ingenuity on your part all the way around. That endbell is KILLER!!!

 

I had a small part but thank you for including me in on this one  :friends:


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Posted 01 January 2019 - 01:41 AM

What's next Geary?! 

 

Stroker Big Block - 36D perhaps?!?! - LOL

 

Ernie

 

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Posted 01 January 2019 - 01:57 AM

I had a small part but thank you for including me in on this one  :friends:

 

Thanks again Doug,

 

I greatly appreciate your help with this motor...


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