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#26 Shiggy

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 01:23 PM

Index.
I do not know the difference in the triggers. Every controller I have owned (3rd Eye, Koford, JayGee, Difalco) I have rounded off the edges to reduce pressure points.

On my new Genesis 2 I have also replaced the handle with the longer JK. My fingers are off the bottom of the stock handle.
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#27 Eddie Fleming

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 01:46 PM

Red

 

Check with Mike Swiss I remember him showing a longer two finger trigger a while back that he was looking at.

 

I use the middle finger and like the Parma trigger.


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Posted 14 April 2019 - 01:50 PM

Red

 

Check with Mike Swiss I remember him showing a longer two finger trigger a while back that he was looking at.

I have a inquiry in with Geary Gaspord, to see if he still making them, and being 3D printed, how his has held up.


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Posted 14 April 2019 - 02:06 PM

Index - Red Fox


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Posted 14 April 2019 - 03:13 PM

Index, modified Parma.

 

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 08:31 PM

Thanks Mike. Not sure about parts swapping on controllers but I would need it for a Defalco.


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Posted 15 April 2019 - 09:26 PM

either index or middle, shortened Parma.


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Posted 15 April 2019 - 10:08 PM

Index finger, Parma trigger. I have never used a Red Fox trigger



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 07:27 AM

If you want to test a redfox trigger simply drive a steak knife through your finger then stick it in a salt bath
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Posted 16 April 2019 - 09:55 AM

David, why do you say that about the Red Fox?


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Posted 17 April 2019 - 01:08 PM

I only have a R4, controller 4 ohm (1965) so I use my thumb, maybe one day I will upgrade  :)


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Posted 17 April 2019 - 02:06 PM

I raced 1/12th r/c pan cars for years, most with a stick controller but the last 5 years or so with a pistol grip.  Throttle for right handers is with the left hand, steering the right.  When I started racing Slot cars 4 years ago that's how I raced, left handed and carried on like this for nearly a year.  As I'm right handed I tried racing right handed, it took a few weeks but I'm much faster with my right hand and struggle with my left now...index finger FTW! but I'm a two hander, with the left holding the top of the controller for using the full blast button and tweaking on the fly.  Some guys put their 'spare' hand in their pocket...

 

...trigger has a foam pad ground to fit my finger better...it's 1/12th foam :)


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Posted 17 April 2019 - 04:11 PM

index--parma

 

speaking of parma--are their turbo triggers going away also?


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 01:24 AM

Okay old timers.. get this. I started with thumb drive in the sixties, converted to index finger in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Somewhere along the way I converted to middle finger because I kept mashing my index finger ( worked in the building trade and index finger seems to cop the most blows ) and finally, because the hands are a bit arthritic and the trigger finger doesn't  seem to respond as quick as my brain this year I've gone back to thumb drive. 

It only took about 3 weeks at club level and I started winning. My mate's all say my driving has improved... so much so I recently T.Q.d at a recent national event and picked up a few podiums.

So.. I feel I'm onto something here... why did we go away from thumbs? .. is it because Parma was the only mainstream supplier for many years? 


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 01:24 AM

Been racing off and on from 1969

 

Started with Cox then MRC now Parma Grip, modified Parma trigger, Index finger.

 

Have a mate (see above) approaching 70 who has always been quick and is still one of the quickest around - has switched to using his thumb (due to cramping in the finger) on a Parma grip and trigger and is now faster. He finds he can micro-blip faster with his thumb.

 

I tried it and he is correct - I am going to re-train on the thumb.


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 08:40 AM

Now that I have your attention, with which finger do you drive? Are you a middle finger or an index finger racer?
 
Do you prefer the stock straight Parma trigger or a curved Red Fox type trigger?


Index, customized parma
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Posted 18 April 2019 - 08:43 AM

Okay old timers.. get this. I started with thumb drive in the sixties, converted to index finger in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Somewhere along the way I converted to middle finger because I kept mashing my index finger ( worked in the building trade and index finger seems to cop the most blows ) and finally, because the hands are a bit arthritic and the trigger finger doesn't  seem to respond as quick as my brain this year I've gone back to thumb drive. 
It only took about 3 weeks at club level and I started winning. My mate's all say my driving has improved... so much so I recently T.Q.d at a recent national event and picked up a few podiums.
So.. I feel I'm onto something here... why did we go away from thumbs? .. is it because Parma was the only mainstream supplier for many years?


Because most people can move their finger faster. I drove the MRRC and Cox controllers with my finger.
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Posted 18 April 2019 - 09:14 AM

Too many sharp edges IMO
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Posted 18 April 2019 - 09:54 AM

We have 2 racers out here who hold their controllers with the trigger facing upwards, and both use their thumb :)


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 03:05 PM

Middle finger and a Parma trigger.

Held up well last weekend in the 48 minute heats.


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 06:08 PM

Index finger with a Parma is my preference

 

I currently have a Red Fox type trigger and handle but it just feels a bit “off”

 

What I really miss is the metal Russkit trigger with the full contour.

 

Yes I started with an MRC thumb, then a Gorski, then a Difalco external, and currently a Third eye or Difalco / Parma conversion

 

 


So.. I feel I'm onto something here... why did we go away from thumbs? .. is it because Parma was the only mainstream supplier for many years? 

 

Because the Cox and MRC resistors held the heat in your palm and the Russkits moved it above your hand.


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 06:26 PM

We have 2 racers out here who hold their controllers with the trigger facing upwards, and both use their thumb :)

I wonder if the "Parma" controller originally designed by Russkitt was intended to ergonomically work both ways. It would have made marketing sense at a time when thumbs ruled.    

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 06:33 PM

I don't think so.

I seem to remember an ad that stated "The thumb is strong, but the finger is quicker".
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Posted 19 April 2019 - 01:33 AM

Gentleman.. I know there are doubters out there.. but this is good reading from the Ruhn University - a study for Neuroral Comiltation and Neuroral Plasticity as to why the thumb is quicker and the middle finger slowest.. and maybe answers why I'm getting such good results from the thumb. Checkout the link below.

 

http://aktuell.ruhr-...pm00044.html.en

 

 

Thumb and little finger are the quickest

The researchers set subjects a simple task to measure the speed of decision: they showed them an image on a monitor that represented all ten fingers. If one of the fingers was marked, the subjects were to press a corresponding key as quickly as possible with that finger. The thumb and little finger were the fastest. The middle finger brought up the rear. “You might think that this has anatomical reasons or depends on the exercise” said Dr Dinse, “but we were able to rule that out through further tests. In principle, each finger is able to react equally quickly. Only in the selection task, the middle finger is at a distinct disadvantage.”


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Posted 19 April 2019 - 09:49 AM

Except that test, deciding what key to press, has nothing to do with how you drive a slot car.

There are great drivers, who use their thumb, like Bud Bartos.

I suspect it's because they've been slot racing, since the 60's, vs. it being a superior digit.
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