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Posted 14 May 2019 - 01:10 PM

Today is the first offical day of racing at the 2019 Wing Car Worlds event being held at Tracy Brown's SlotCars-R-Us 'The Track' in White House,TN, about 30 miles northwest of Nashville. Some of the world's best wing car racers have flown in from all of the US and from several other countries to compete.

I'll do what I can to post the results here at Slotblog as they occur.

LiveTiming via the LapMaster system (which is being on hosted on the LapMaster website, thanks to Carsten Grønnemann) is available at this LINK.

 

The race is being streamed on YouTube. Be aware there is no sound and that the image quality is not the greatest. Let's see if I can embed it here...

 


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 01:30 PM

The first class being run is Hillbilly Box 12 and there are 31 entries.

 

Hillbilly Box 12

 

Qualifying

 

1) Boyt Johnson - 1.947 secs <--- world record

2) Jiri Micek - 1.966

3) Jan Gotthardt - 1.970

4) Jeff Cox - 1.981

5) Zdenek Benes - 1.983

6) Mike Blevins - 2.003

7) Archie King - 2.009

8) Ernie Parison - 2.011

9) Ronnie Keener - 2.015

10) Luiz 'Gugu' Benardino - 2.018

11) Michael Iga - 2.024

12) Rich Curnutte - 2.026

13) Milan Janco - 2.033

14) Rob Garland - 2.034

15) Bill Skinner - 2.038

16) Larry Pellegrini - 2.049

17) Merrell Todd - 2.067

18) Shelby Thomas - 2.082

19) Jeff Bigelow - 2.083

20) Jimmy Bentley - 2.086

21) Renato Rocco - 2.089

22) Kevin Abe - 2.093

23) Mike Darnell - 2.095

24) Wally Fleming - 2.101

25) Paul Peterson - 2.106

26) Randy Shearl - 2.108

27) Gary Puetz - 2.109

28) Richard Bailey - 2.110

29) Bernie Schatz - 2.116

30) Perry Walters - 2.133

31) Steve Hylton - 2.140

 

D Main

 

1) Randy Shearl - 748 laps

2) Richard Bailey - 728.64

3) Paul Peterson - 726.13

4) Bernie Schatz - 708.62

5) Perry Walters - 623.52

6) Gary Puetz - 294.46

7) Steve Hylton - 255.40

 

C Main

 

1) Wally Fleming - 801.68 laps

2) Merrell Todd - 774.99

3) Renato Rocco - 773.19

4) Shelby Thomas - 712.56

5) Kevin Abe - 512.43

6) Jimmy Bentley - 270.41

7) Jeff Bigelow - 205.64

8) Mike Darnell - 103.16

 

B Main

 

1) Bill Skinner - 866.42 laps

2) Michael Iga - 843.62

3) Milan Janco - 840.52

4) Luiz 'Gugu' Bernardino - 824.26

5) Larry Pellegrini - 820.68

6) Rich Curnutte - 801.50

7) Rob Garland - 591.81

8) Ronnie Keener - 170.27

 

A Main

 

1) Boyt Johnson - 862.73 laps

2) Zdenek Benes - 833.99

3) Jan Gotthardt - 825.22

4) Jeff Cox - 824.30

5) Jiri Micek - 806

6) Ernie Parison - 776.99

7) Archie King - 742.64

8) Mike Blevins - 278.99

 

 

Hillbilly Box 12 final results

 

1) Bill Skinner - 866.42 laps

2) Boyt Johnson - 862.73

3) Michael Iga - 843.62

4) Milan Janco - 840.52

5) Zdenek Benes - 833.99

6) Jan Gotthardt - 825.22

7) Jeff Cox - 824.30

8) Luiz 'Gugu' Bernardino - 824.26

9) Larry Pellegrini - 820.68

10) Jiri Micek - 806

11) Wally Fleming - 801.68

12) Rich Curnutte - 801.50

13) Ernie Parison - 776.99

14) Merrell Todd - 774.99

15) Renato Rocco - 773.19

16) Randy Shearl - 748

17) Archie King - 742.64

18) Richard Bailey - 728.64

19) Paul Peterson - 726.13

20) Shelby Thomas - 712.56

21) Bernie Schatz - 708.62

22) Perry Walters - 623.52

23) Rob Garland - 591.81

24) Kevin Abe - 512.43

25) Gary Puetz - 294.46

26) Mike Blevins - 278.99

27) Jimmy Bentley - 270.41

28) Steve Hylton - 255.40

29) Jeff Bigelow - 205.64

30) Ronnie Keener - 170.27

31) Mike Darnell - 103.16

 

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L to R, Boyt Johnson, Bill Skinner, Michael Iga.

 

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:20 PM

I've now been given the link for the LapMaster automated archive of the results of the World's races so I will switch to the posting some of the fabulous color-coded charts that LapMaster program saves after each races. It'll save me a good bit of typing, that's for sure, and will provide way more info as well.

 

The link to the archived results is HERE.


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:36 PM

For those of us who don't race this kind of thing, can you post a link to a description of the classes, if there is one. Or provide a quick and easy description?

 

Thanks.

 

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 07:40 PM

Probably the best place for wing car rules/description would be the official USRA Div 1 (Wing Car) website.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 07:26 AM

A main must have been rough! First and third overall from the B! Congrats, Skinner!


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 07:42 AM

Congrats to ex-New Yorker, now Montanan (really), Bill Skinner!

 

Cheers,


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 09:07 AM

Big congrats to all.

Especially to Michael Iga, on his podium, the "Patron Saint of Chicago Wing Racing." He makes it happen around her.e
 

A main must have been rough! First andthi3rd overall from the B! Congrats, Skinner!

 

IMO, the final eight should race again, mano y mano.

With wings these days, qualifying into the A Main doesn't mean you know how to drive in traffic, drive the gutters, keep your car together for 32 minutes, or even start from a dead stop on a straightaway.

The car are too "too." Too light, too short, too fragile.

All the compromises made to make sure your car is a rocketship on orange and blue, when it's moving, don't contribute to close or clean racing.

When I see cars pop at the starting line at the beginning of a race, it's time to start teching them on a balance. If they don't balance or tip forward, they have to go and change their car until it does.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 09:33 AM

Not a wing guy so ignore me.

 

Have a shootout for best time on orange. Then qualify one minute total laps and sections on red or black.

 

I know, never happen. 


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 09:54 AM

Being by yourself,on a super-easy track won't necessarily sort things out. With Wing cars anyway.

 

Way less so with Retro, but it still happens.

 

Never that I remember at the Sano.

 

Twice elsewhere.
 

At Tom Thumb, but that was sorted out by Mike McM's format, and the guy who made the A heat race didn't get anywhere near the A Main.

 

The other time was at a local IRRL race, on a super-easy orange, but not so much on a red, on a Gerding.

 

That guy ruined the race for another (now deceased) driver, not being able to keep up an A Main pace on the harder lanes.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 10:12 AM

NASRA rules require qualification on red lane for all classes except Group 7. This is to eliminate 'orange lane wonders' and guys who can't drive the outer lanes.

 

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 10:18 AM

On that track, does qualifying on red really matter?

 

When I watch the video feed from some wing races, it's apparent they should qualify by counting how many times you can start from a dead stop, in 1 minute, without popping.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 10:47 AM

Mike,
 
Your'e right on this. When I was there last Aug for the NASRA Nats, cars were a breeze to drive on red for qualifying. .03-.05 slower I think. I went 2.16 on red and 2.14 on orange in the race.

 

The SlotCars-R-Us track is full punched, just a small blip in the deadman on red with glue; nothing, just hold it down.
 
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Posted 15 May 2019 - 10:54 AM

They need to qualify on black at alpha, and then get back to me. LOL.

http://www.slotracing.ontheweb.nu

Scroll down to the 1998 World Championships to see what a real gutter lane is.

PS: Don't get me wrong. These guys are all my friends and they mean well, with steel chassis and spray glue.

But then they thin the crap out of the rails, and go with chassis length that looks like it would fit under a Slot.it 1/32 car.

One step forward, 1-1/2 steps backward.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 12:18 PM

Today's Worlds class is 27 Lite and it seems there are 35 entries.

 

Qualifying is happening now and results will be posted here as soon as it is completed.

 

Here's a LINK to the qualifying LiveTiming, if anyone wants to watch it happening.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 01:30 PM

27 Lite

 

Qualifying

 

1) Boyt Johnson - 1.681 secs
2) Peter Krcil - 1.684
3) Paul 'Beuf' Pedersen - 1.691
4) Jan Gotthardt - 1.706
5) Tim Skurka - 1.707
6) Jeff Sarkisian - 1.722
7) Jim 'Spove' Sproviero - 1.724
8) Ed Gibson - 1.725
9) Jose Mario Serra - 1.735
10) Luiz 'Gugu' Bernardino - 1.739
11) Joe 'Chubby' Salzman - 1.742 (1.744)
12) Michael Iga - 1.742 (1.747)
13) Ernie Parison - 1.743
14) Reggie Coram -1.756
15) Steve Hylton - 1.760 (1.760)
16) Ulli Pietsch - 1.760 (1.763)
17) Rob Garland - 1.764
18) Larry Pellegrini - 1.774
19) Andre Eriksson - 1.777
20) Merrell Todd - 1.778
21) Mikael Silen - 1.785
22) Les Wright - 1.793
23) Renato Rocco - 1.794 (1.797)
24) Rich Curnutte - 1.794 (1.798)
25) Peter Fröbel - 1.796

26) Gary Puetz - 1.798

27) Ronnie Keener - 1.803 (1.806)

28) Paul Peterson - 1.803 (1.820)

29) Jeff Jones - 1.809

30) Vlado Okali - 1.811

31) Steve Moore - 1.818

32) Kyle O'Neal - 1.823

33) Jimmy Bentley - 1.834

34) Jimmy Mori - 1.847

35) Kevin Abe - 1.852


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 02:37 PM

With wings these days, qualifying into the A Main doesn't mean you know how to drive in traffic, drive the gutters, keep your car together for 32 minutes, or even start from a dead stop on a straightaway.

The car are too "too." Too light, too short, too fragile.

All the compromises made to make sure your car is a rocketship on orange and blue, when it's moving, don't contribute to close or clean racing.

When I see cars pop at the starting line at the beginning of a race, it's time to start teching them on a balance. If they don't balance or tip forward, they have to go and change their car until it does.

 

When I made the above comment, I hadn't watched a second of the race. I just assumed.

 

While looking up a CR part number on my PC, I noticed an embedded video in the first post.

 

I watched for less than a minute, and came across a 30 second snippet at 4:34:00. And then later, by accident, at 37:30.

 

After a track call, the car that was exiting the lead-on on red, took off, somehow made it the yellow lane panel, and then popped and slid down the straightaway, causing another track call, where the car on white couldn't take off entering the bank.

 

Jason, anyone that is listening... please make this madness stop.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 03:22 PM

Mike, 

 

You should get back into wing racing and show them how it's done. 

 

Talk is cheap, lets see some action. LOL.

 

Just kidding.

 

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 03:24 PM

I shouldn't make this connection, but is anyone reminded of the thread I split off that was titled "The hobby's speed addiction?"


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 03:32 PM

27 Lite

 

E Main

 

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D Main

 

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C Main

 

27L.Cmain.jpg

 

B Main

 

27L.Bmain.jpg

 

A Main

 

27L.Amain.jpg

 

 

27 Lite final results

 

27L.final.top.jpg

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 03:39 PM

When I made the above comment, I hadn't watched a second of the race. I just assumed.
 
While looking up a CR part number on my PC, I noticed an embedded video in the first post.
 
I watched for less than a minute, and came across a 30 second snippet at 4:34:00. And then later, by accident, at 37:30.
 
After a track call, the car that was exiting the lead-on on red, took off, somehow made it the yellow lane panel, and then popped and slid down the straightaway, causing another track call, where the car on white couldn't take off entering the bank.
 
Jason, anyone that is listening... please make this madness stop.


You should just be enjoying video of such quality you can see all that!!

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 03:48 PM

You should get back into wing racing and show them how it's done. 
 
Talk is cheap, lets see some action. LOL.
 
Just kidding.

 
Greg,
 
Going to a race with a properly-weighted car, taking off cleanly after each track call, and getting steamrolled in the Donut, isn't going to accomplish anything. LOL.
 
I came out with a long Group F chassis kit for $29.95 that comes with pans. Guys cut them off.
 
I'm 100% guilty of letting them do it when we started racing Group F on Wednesday night after GTP. I should have taken charge.
 
PS: I saw your order for guides.
BTW, go look at my thread on them.
I'm pretty sure you'll find where I say, I came up with them, with drag and wing racing, in mind.
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Posted 15 May 2019 - 04:50 PM

Mike 

 

The Guides do work in wings but Most will say that's .8 grams of weight those's same guys pop in the straight Now the Great racers don't need them Beuf, Brad,Chubby,Tim,Gugu,and so on but the 25% that screw up the start for the 75% sure do

 

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 05:20 PM

Yes Mike,

 I remember you saying that.

 

But now we know they work on everything else too.

 

I know Chubby and Gugu use them. A lot of the scale racers use them, along with most of the Retro Racers. Only in the land of fruits and nuts are they not legal. People will buy hundreds of dollars of motors looking for the same gain the guide can give you.

 

If cost were an issue you could buy one of Mike's guides and switch it from car to car. LMAO. 

 

Now back to the Race coverage. Where were we, 27 lite.

   

 

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 06:06 PM

Wasn't trying to turn this into an ad.

I just want to see all forms of slot racing do well.

The same stuff goes on at my track.

While some drivers are obviously better than others, IMO, it's more the cars that have to be built, to keep up.
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