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#1 MattD

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 03:59 PM

https://www.ebay.com...cIAAOSwx1lc2qGi

 

This is an AMT body on a Cox chassis.   It's not mentioned in the description.

 

I've done enough to know.   At least I remove the windshield wipers and replace the fuel door with a NASCAR style door and I tell what it really is!


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 04:15 PM

Now that I look closer, the slots for the chassis tabs to mount the  body look hand cut.


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 04:25 PM

FWIW, he never says it's a Cox Gurney Ford, and he offers to answer questions.

 
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:23 PM

Mike, I think he kind of lays the ground work for an answer if somebody buys it and doesn't realize it's a model car  until they get delivered.   He can point out that he never claimed it was original and you should have asked questions.    I say buyer beware, a guy should know enough about his hobby to not get burned by a lack of knowledge, but it never hurts a seller to be honest and upfront about what he is selling.

 

Just  my opinion.

 

  I have an MPC  Manta Ray on Ebay right now and state clearly in the title and description that it is a resin body.  I could have easily fooled most people, but I wouldn't want to do that.   

 

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 08:43 PM

He should be upfront.

 

He's being deceptive by omission.

 

I wouldn't do it, because my reputation is more important than making a few bucks.

 

My point was he's throwing some crumbs out.

 

IMO, it's not like selling something like a pair of vintage mags, and the buyer gets 2 of the same polarity, and then the seller claims "My ad doesn't say you get a north and a south, just that there is a pair."


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:35 PM

Slot car collectors are a small group.    Most of us know each other and our reputations and integrity are important in such a small group.   There are always few that don't value this and  over the years their reputations suffer for that and that spreads around pretty quick.   That is why I think it is important that honest selling and reputation come before the money part!!    Mike, I know you feel the same way!!


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:44 PM

Of course I do.

Just playing devil's advocate.

Do you think someone who doesn't know what he's doing, is spending $300+ on a car like that?

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 10:45 PM

IMO, it's not like selling something like a pair of vintage mags, and the buyer gets 2 of the same polarity, and then the seller claims "My ad doesn't say you get a north and a south, just that there is a pair."

 

That actually happened to me buying a pair of 36D Arco magnets from the other guy in your area. 

 

If you look at that guy's other active auctions and completed auctions, it's very obvious that he knows a lot about vintage slots. "He's being deceptive by omission." is exactly what he's doing.

 

Hopefully the buyer discovers that it's a fake and returns it. Ebay is really good about siding with the buyer on returns. 


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 11:46 PM

the frame looks to be a spray painted fake also...



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Posted 16 May 2019 - 12:34 AM

When I first looked at it I thought at least the frame is worth something. I did not notice the frame was fake also, now I really feel bad for the buyer.


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 07:48 AM

When I looked at it, most of the frame shown looked to be raw brass rather than plated. Could it have been made using some of those legitimate Cox brass chassis parts that sold on eBay a couple years back?


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 09:51 AM

May-be the body mounts, those I have seen sold and I have bought separate.


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 12:17 PM

I never even got to the frame!       There are some guys that can build nice copies.  Liquid Lou had a guy that built a few that were near perfect.     I think the guy quit after doing just a couple, he said it was too many hours for the the labor he charged, which was probably right, lot of hours to build one as nice as original.


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 12:53 PM

Those original body mounts were cut off & sold by REHCO in Cincinnatti, after they bought a bunch of the chassis to make into 4.5' Indy cars.  As most of us know, REH used to purchase some liquidated slot car items for resale under one of their house names.


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 01:07 PM

I sent the seller a link to this thread. Last time I did something like this the guy got really angry and went off on me.


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 01:24 PM

Thats hilarious! There are a bunch of antique dealers who seem to opportunisticly attempt to sell virtually worthless slot car junk like worn braid (!) and faked genuinely rare slot car memorabilia - sometimes at inflated prices. I would imagine they would have absolutely no interest in being educated by discriminating and knowledgeable collectors.
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Posted 16 May 2019 - 04:15 PM

One of the funniest listings on ebay is  when one of these guys lists 10 pair of used braids for $20 or so.    


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 06:58 PM

On May-16-19 at 12:09:17 PDT, seller added the following information:

 

 

Some people wrote me  that this car is a copy.. I don't know a copy of what....
It is a slot car ford galaxie painted and with dan gurney decals.Please see the pictures carefully !! Thanks



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Posted 16 May 2019 - 07:11 PM

Maybe he doesn't know. I'm not sure. What do you guys think? Our exchange.

 

Me: You might find this interesting: http://slotblog.net/...rd/#entry750146

 

Him: What does it mean ? Is not a Galaxie ??

 

Me: Galaxie? Yes. Vintage Dan Gurney slot car? No. Copy of a vintage Cox Dan 

Gurney? Yes.

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 08:09 PM

He knows exactly what it is and what he is wanting some un-suspecting buyer to think it is.


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Posted 17 May 2019 - 10:46 AM

I think what applies here is the old adage "caveat emptor" Know what you are buying, don't rely on the seller to

describe it accurately.  


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Posted 17 May 2019 - 12:09 PM

Dave, that applies to anything slot car related on eBay. :laugh2: I've found books & fabrics to be s lot better.


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