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#1 DOCinCocoa

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 10:28 AM

What should happen if a racer forgets to come in on red lane when he should have?

 

The setting is that we had 10 racers and decided to run a round robin (out on white; in on red). So a racer forgot to go in on red when he should have and missed the entire heat. After the race is over, we resolve all ties on the lap counter system and pick up our cars. Then after that is completed, the raceway owner decides to add 27 laps to this racers total. 27 laps is the average of the fastest racers per heat. I doubt that this racer would get 27 laps on red. Adding 27 laps ties this racer 2 other racers who have already picked up their cars. Now what do you think happened? What should have happened?

 

Yes, this is going to turn into a rant.

 

 

 


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 10:33 AM

Should of added laps he had and divided by 7 to get the average laps he ran and added that to his total. Doesnt matter what any other racer ran but the raceway owner is always entitled to run their race as they see fit


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 10:41 AM

If I were the racer that failed to come in on red I would take the 0 and say move on. If the race director wants to give a new racer his average laps I would have no problem with that even though it is probably a generous count for red.

 

As for the late call after the cars are picked up the racer getting the laps gets his car positioned just past the lap counter.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:04 AM

" too bad so sad"  "you snooze you lose" "pay attention"


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:34 AM

I've seen this happen at several tracks. Usually, the RD adds a number of laps to give the guy a break. IMO,

it is up to the racer to keep track of when he is to come in. In real racing, you have a call to grid. If you are not

on grid when the last call is announced, you go to the back of the grid. If you are not on grid when the cars

start their pace lap, you have to start from the pit lane after the green flag is shown. But in some race 

organizations, failure to be on grid when the pace lap starts means a DNS, or did not start. For slot racing,

there is no pace lap, and cars start from a standing grid, and cars rotate off the track when there are more

entries than lanes. The racers have to keep track of when they come back in, and where on the track they

came off. Most timing systems show who is next up, so keeping track of when they come in should be easy.

My gripe is the guy who can't remember where he came off, so he starts in front of the driver's stand. If the

dead strip is past the driver's stand, he gets some free distance. Not fair to the other racers.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 11:37 AM

Pay attention period.
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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:10 PM

Wow, seems pretty simple.  It's your car, your preparation, your entry, your drive to the track to participate, your corner to marshal, your obligation to keep current, your responsibility to follow the order of racing the lane.  If we all had to be dragged by the nose to know the relay and to put our car on the correct color it would make for a long day. Without knowing anything else my inclination would be "snooze ya lose".

 

Now, I did have an actual incident when a section of the lane I was in (black) had a power outage that I had nothing to do with.  I would get to the section and the car would go dead.  After a few track calls, some accusative looks from my fellow racers that I was racing flawed or broken equipment and an unmeasured time it was resolved that my lane was busted.  A track wiring issue was identified and repaired.  I completed the lane but produced a fraction of the laps expected due to reduced time.  For this, I was granted the average laps of my other 7 lanes of racing.  I wasn't contending for a podium position anyway so it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.  I thought that a very fair way to settle the issue. 

 

But that's comparing cheese to chalk. 

 

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:10 PM

Sorry, that's the fault of the racer, and not anyone else.  Totally unfair to the other 9 racers.  

And if the racer can;t remember where he came off, he should start just past the lap counter strip


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 12:42 PM

Everywhere I've raced they announced after each heat who was going out and who was coming in. And I don't recall anyone ever forgetting to come in.

 

But I agree with the zero laps sentiment. Don't depend on someone else to remind you. If you forget, that's on you. Especially with only 2 sit outs. Jeez, that's pretty pathetic.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 01:01 PM

That's how Mike Swiss does it. But we still have people too busy talking to hear the announcement.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 01:09 PM

What makes this even better is that the 6 month long championship depended on how this matter was handled.

 

If I missed a heat because I was snoozing, I would never expect or accept any laps to be given to me. Its my fault and I would have to accept the consequences.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 02:45 PM

Were you the only one that had a problem with it? I would think it would have incited a riot.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 02:47 PM

No difference than when a racer at a big event oversleeps and misses the first heat: 0 laps. PAY ATTENTION!

 

Let's stop this "Everyone gets a trophy" trend that's been going around for 20+ years. It's doing nothing but encouraging the development of snowflakes.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 02:49 PM

Should of added laps he had and divided by 7 to get the average laps he ran and added that to his total. Doesnt matter what any other racer ran but the raceway owner is always entitled to run their race as they see fit

 

Ultimately this is reality. The shop owner/race director is the one in charge.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 02:49 PM

If it's a weekly race and he is just starting out I would give him a mulligan.  After that he owns the mistake.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:10 PM

Weekly race, no problem. A 6 month long state championship, yea, I have a big problem with this. Besides, why would anyone think that this racer would have gotten 27 laps on red which is typically difficult due to the dead man turn with other racers crashing and ending up in the red lane. 


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:11 PM

No difference than when a racer at a big event oversleeps and misses the first heat: 0 laps. PAY ATTENTION!
 
Let's stop this "Everyone gets a trophy" trend that's been going around for 20+ years. It's doing nothing but encouraging the development of snowflakes.

I throw participation plaques away.

It's not my cup of tea. To each their own though.
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Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:46 PM

Participation plaques are kinda like concert T-shirts or MAGA hats or Linus' blanket, if they make you feel better, they make you feel better.

 

Kids like them because they're celebratory, not because they signify excellence.

 

King of the hill racing is like the Highlander and war and carnivores, but reality is that just having fun and pleasant social interaction is more about us omnivores, and slot car racing lets us play either way anyway.

 

YOMV 

 

As far as the thread topic, the racer should have been told to get his act together for the next race and not received any extra laps.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 04:43 PM

Should be a non-issue. You missed the heat, you missed the laps too! He won't do it again!

 

No issue at all!

 

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 05:14 PM

Red lane is fast and he could of ran 28 on it and only got 27. Also it wasnt decided to give said person after the race. It was told to him as soon as he figured he sat out a extra lane. You also beat him showing your sticker in your hand not on the track.
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Posted 03 June 2019 - 06:57 PM

I'm sure that if the racer reads all these you're a "loser", " too bad so sad",  "you snooze you lose" posts, he'll hurry back to race next time.

 

I'll bet the track owner and other racers won't mind if one more guy drops out, after all, he is a "pathetic" "snowflake". Who needs him, there are plenty of fish in the sea.......right?


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:04 PM

What was he doing while off the track. If he was distracted helping another racer then make allowance for it. Average the other 7 lanes.

 

I forgot to come in here on my own track because I was showing some other racers something. I took my lumps.


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:08 PM

Did the race director inform the driver that he was due back on?

 

If not, I can see why he was awarded laps.

 

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:17 PM

Pappy he was turn marshaling.

Half fast,,, no he wasn't told he was on deck.

Phil,,, wow you have no idea what youre talking about.

Doc,,, why are you complaining,,, after all you did finish in front of said lane skipper????

Said person was told he would be giving his lap average over the 7 lanes he ran before the start of said person going to green which was well before the end of the race.
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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:28 PM

Brian, I am wondering where this stops. Should a racer who breaks a lead wire due to a crash he did not cause, should he get laps added to his total????

 

To answer a couple questions above, I don't know if the racers name was called. I heard racers names called all race long, so I assume that his name was called to come in a red. 

 

This racer was turn marshalling when he should have been running on red.

 

Also, I want to make this very clear: I do not have any issue with the race director of that specific race.

 

Another also: I have not mentioned any names and this is not personal. I want to know what other racers think about this matter. By reading the above responses, I got my answer.

 

Can one of the moderators, close down this topic, please.


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