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#1 JimF

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 01:03 PM

Our June Race at Motown is just a couple weeks away. Here are some reminders and setup ideas along with a few other things.............

 

We are racing on 06/23 which is a week later than normal due to skirting Father's day.

This will be a four race day with the 4th race being Stock cars on the Korkscrew.

 

Race order.....

  • Can Am on Hillclimb
  • Pro Coupes on Hillclimb
  • F-1 on Korkscrew
  • Stock Cars on Korkscrew

Day before  06/22 schedule:..........

 

I plan to be at the track all day on the 22nd. I'm available all day to help with tuning and setups.

This will be the time for me to fix a broken something or help you tune something. Race day is not ideal for these things.

In addition: I'm hoping for a visit from famed SoCal racers Mill Conroy and Phil Nyland who will be on their way to Sonoma for the Nascar race.

They will just be messing around and are great sources of info if you have questions about SoCal racing or about Mills' tire products.

 

Future races.....................Just a quick note here.

  • The Purple Angel at FTH is reportedly up and running so the remaining races for this season will go as originally planned.
  • Be thinking about whether you like racing on the Kingleman at all. For the future, this could be a very good venue for Stock Cars.

Setups and tuning:

 

Can Am.........Hillclimb

  • Retro Hawk @ 9/28 is always my starting point. Adjust according to your motor/car
  • Car weight of 105-110 is usually good
  • I always start with JK or Alpha Big Full Hubs....occasionally I like a small hub or treated.
  • Lola or TI-22 bodies both seem to be equal although some cars will be better one way or the other.

Pro Coupes on Hillclimb:

 

  • Big Dogs in Pro Slot setups: Usually gear 8/38-39
  • Big Dogs in JK setups usually 8/40-42
  • I tend to run treated tires for coupes about 1/2 the time.
  • REMINDER: X-12 arms and/or Neo magnets are not allowed and no mulligans will be issued.
  • NEW BODIES: There are new Coupe Bodies from Red Fox. They are not allowed until full availability and approval. No mulligans! Do not show up at tech with either of these.

 

F-1 on Korkscrew:.............Not much new news here:

 

  • I generally start with my Mini Brutes at 8/28 and will test 8/29-30 or 7-27 as well.
  • Small hub tires seem to be the best generally although big hub sometimes good too. Brand doesn't matter. I'll often narrow tires.
  • Car weight of about 120 gr. is good. I have one exceptional car at 112 gr. but it's an unknown over the longer term.
  • Matra body is the 90% go to although the old Lotus 49 with lower downforce can also be good. Non wing bodies are also just fine.

Stock Car on Korkscrew:.......we don't do these often but are often our most fun races:

  • I'll often gear the Mini Brutes at 8/29 or 7/27
  • Do not agonize about your motor.....if it runs, it's fast enough.
  • Tire are very important and can help minimize the chatter off the corner that is endemic with these cars.
  • I'll often start with big full naturals only to end up with bigger hubs, treated, or even Wonder rubber depending on the day.
  • Starting point for weight here is about 140 gr and don't be afraid to go heavier.
  • I almost always run these with at least 20' of controller choke.

Final Note on race day procedures and etiquette:

  • NorCal Retro Racing is very much of a club atmosphere and everybody co-operates to help get the day done.
  • Everyone is helpful and willing to pitch in whether they are on track or not. Even if you are not in the race, please help out your buddies.
  • We'll probably schedule two classes of Tech at once so please try to be ready. Ex....tech for Can Am and Coupe at same time.
  • Naturally, I understand critical commitments such as family affairs, dentist appointments, funerals and brain surgery schedules etc. However, if at all possible try to stay the course so everyone can have a good day of races.

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:13 PM

HEy--- I think I can make this race!!  Where do you stay up there Jim?  I may come up Saturday to take you up on some tuning tips--and practice on two tracks I've never seen before!  I'm checking with SWMBO now about the date!! :)  :)


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:32 PM

Yo!

 

I "rough it" and camp overnight at the track. Roll out my air mattress and pad, build a little fire back by the flat track, make some s'mores, all good. Other times, I have stayed at a Motel 6 about a mile away but that's a crapshoot as far as room quality. There's a couple of other places nearby that look better but don't have any personal experience with them.


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 08:14 PM

There are some better places, Tim. I think most of the places over on 99 and Orangeburg might be a little better. 


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 09:45 PM

Thanks--I'm no princess---but a nice clean room with a good shower is all I need!! Any suggestions are appreciated!  Motel 6? Maybe not! :)


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 10:13 PM

Jim,

 

Do you have any of the new Red Fox bodies to look at?


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 10:22 PM

Tim, I'd probably go to the Holiday Inn Express in Salida, but some of the places just south of there are cheaper. And nothing on the Kansas exit. 


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 10:28 PM

No I don't and that's one of the main reasons not to rush to approve them. I'll have Gene order some up when they are actually available. One concern of course is the paper thin nature of many if not most RF bodies. Also, the Chevron looks a bit extreme in the rear spoiler/deck area. I do have an similar O/S Chevron that I resurrected to test with a new coupe chassis but it actually didn't fit the chassis well. (too low across the front fenders) Looking to be down Wed when Gene opens back up.


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:49 AM

See you then!


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:53 AM

For Modesto hotels, Doubletree downtown is always reliable. There are often deals available if you check ahead online. Parking garage across the street is very convenient.
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Posted 20 June 2019 - 04:23 PM

Well I ended up at the Motel 6!!  I'll be up there Saturday at noon and then come find the track for some testing.  Looking forward to it!! :)


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Posted 20 June 2019 - 05:12 PM

See you Sunday for sure! Maybe Saturday...


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Posted 20 June 2019 - 05:55 PM

Good to hear and looking forward to running with you again. I'm tentatively planning to be at MT Friday night, and all day Saturday. I think Mill and Phil will be dropping by on Sat. on their way to Sonoma for the Nascar race. A couple of other of our more serious racers will be there on Saturday as well. I think that it's an off weekend for the drag race crowd so it's unlikely that it'll be a very crowded day.


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 01:38 PM

Quick update for anyone interested in tuning help. It turns out that I won't be there Friday, but still plan on close to a full day on Sat.


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Posted 25 June 2019 - 09:13 AM

Well the drag crowd was out in FORCE!! :)   And David's suggestion of the Orangeburg hotels is definitely the best.  Close to the track and better location for food etc.   

I've picked up a nice Stock Car so I'll be able to run that race in August.  I hope to build a coupe for then--I see your rules allow 3.125 width?  Might have to get out the soldering iron and see what I can come up with.


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