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Posted 19 July 2019 - 08:53 AM

Le Mans Trials
Over the next several months I would like to feature LeMans cars of the 1960s. These would include True Scale as well as OSCAR based rides. A pretty comprehensive list is shown below but I have omitted some models that I would consider to be impractical because they are quite narrow and short.
Believe me; I dont want to force folks to spend a great deal of money on new chassis or models. As you can see from the list, almost all of you have cars that fit, yet, for those who want to build new rides a plethora of choices are open.
Just for fun, I think it would be interesting to have what I am calling a LeMans Trials. I encourage all to bring their LeMans rides and try them out in a qualifying environment (any lane for a minute). Over time, I will log and tabulate all of the results. Spectacular embroidered trophies will be awarded to the fastest three qualifiers. Dont worry; I will give ample warning regarding the cut off time. The Trials will last a minimum of a few months. I will allow and encourage all to run these cars in the mixed class. Then, if there is a sufficient level of interest, I will integrate these cars into a separate class that will be run on a regular basis (maybe even create a LeMans Series).
Preliminary rules for LeMans Trials are as follows.
  • Both True Scale and OSCAR based chassis will be allowed
  • Bodies may be either 1/24 or 1/25 scale
  • All cars run at LeMans during the 1960s are included with the exception of the Porsche 917. My experience is that the 917 would dominate the class and therefore in the interest of competitive diversity will be excluded. An extensive list of eligible models is shown below.
  • In order to expand the field a bit, I will include the following models. Some actually ran at LeMans or other endurance events in the 60s.
  •      Trans-Am Cars 1960-1969
  •      Corvettes 1960-1969
  •      Jaguar D-Type
  •      Cobra 427
  • Cars may be added or deleted at the race directors discretion in order to maintain competitive diversity
  • Power plants will be limited to Deathstar or ProSlot 16Ds (no Supers or Hawks will be allowed)
Before proceeding, a few observations are in order.
  • Terry could run his Cooper Monaco (his Can-Am car), his OSCAR based GT350, his Chaparral 2D or his OSCAR based Trans-Am cars
  • Bob could run his True Scale or OSCAR based Trans-Am cars, or his Aston Martin DBR1 (Tourist Trophy resin car by Doug Haynes)
  • Rich could run his GT40, DBR1, Porsche Carrera 6, 60 Corvette or Trans-Am cars
  • Ron could run his GT40, Porsche Carrera 6, 427 Cobra or Trans-Am cars
  • James, Mark, Scott and Joe could run their Trans-Am cars
  • Joe could also run his 66 Penske Corvette
  • James also has an unbuilt Ferrari 330P4 that could be built and mounted on an OSCAR Can-Am or True Scale chassis
  • Chaparral 2Ds, Corvettes, Cobras are widely available and inexpensive
  • Ferrari P4s and GT40s are available at a bit higher price point
  • I have two extra old GT40s. Both are available as loaners at any time
  • Others may have spare bodies
List of eligible machines
  • Alfa Romeo Giulietta
  • Alfa Romeo T33/2
  • Aston Martin DB4
  • Aston Martin DBR1
  • Austin Healey 3000
  • Austin Healey Sprite
  • Chaparral 2F
  • Chaparral 2D
  • Cooper Monaco
  • Corvette 60, 61, 62
  • Corvette C3
  • Fiat Abarth
  • Ferrari 250 TR
  • Ferrari 250 GT
  • Ferrari 250 GTO
  • Ferrari 250 LM
  • Ferrari 275 GTB/C
  • Ferrari 275 P
  • Ferrari 275 P2
  • Ferrari 312 P
  • Ferrari Dino 166 P
  • Ferrari Dino 206S
  •  Ferrari Dino 246 SP
  • Ferrari 330 Tri/LM
  • Ferrari 330 LMB
  • Ferrari 330 P
  • Ferrari 330 P2
  • Ferrari 330 P3
  • Ferrari 330 P4
  • Ferrari 330 Tri/LM
  • Ferrari 365 P2
  • Ferrari 365 GTB
  • Ferrari 412 P
  • Ford Cobra Daytona
  • Ford Cobra (289)
  • GT40
  • GT40 Roadster
  • GT40 MKII
  • GT40 MKIV
  • Jaguar E Type
  • Lola Mk6
  • Lola T70 MKIII and MKIIIB
  • Maserati Tipo 60 61,& 63
  • MGA
  • Morgan +4
  • Porsche 356 B
  • Porsche 718
  • Porsche 904
  • Porsche 906 (Carrera 6)
  • Porsche 907
  • Porsche 908
  • Porsche 910
  • Porsche 911 & 911S
  • Mirage M1
  • Shelby GT350
  • Sunbeam Tiger
  • Sunbeam Alpine
  • Triumph TRS
  • TVR
Note: not all cars that ran at LeMans are listed, many were specials, some little known, some very small (Lotus Elite). I have left these out. If you find any that are not listed and want to run them OK

Images of some readily available bodies (search on google for these and others)
 

AstonMartinDBR1.jpg
 
Chaparral2D.jpg
 
Cobra427p2.jpg
 
CobraDaytona3.jpg
 
CooperMonaco.jpg
 
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Ferrari250TR.jpg
 
Ferrari330P2Tam.jpg
 
Ferrari330P4.jpg
 
FordGT40.jpg
 
FordGT40MKII.jpg
 
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JaguarDType.jpg
 
JaguarETypeP2.jpg
 
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Posted 19 July 2019 - 09:07 AM

I assume we all know that that the Monogram 2D is the Daytona version not the version that ran at Le Mans.

Be fun to convert to the LeMans spec.

But I like this class, build on.  :clapping:


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Posted 19 July 2019 - 09:14 AM

I am not familiar with the  "True Scale and OSCAR based chassis" can you post a pic or a link?


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Posted 19 July 2019 - 09:15 AM

I assume we all know that that the Monogram 2D is the Daytona version not the version that ran at Le Mans.
Be fun to convert to the LeMans spec.
But I like this class, build on.  :clapping:


Thanks. I will allow the Daytona version to run in the Trials. My recollection is that the Le Mans version has a scoop on top of the cockpit

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 09:21 AM

.....and no wing, a different rear window and scoops on the hips. But Its still a cheap available body. So I get it.

 

True Scale and OSCAR based chassis?

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 09:37 AM

I am not familiar with the  "True Scale and OSCAR based chassis" can you post a pic or a link?

True Scale chassis include Scholer, Plafit, Slotting Plus and Scale auto. These are modified by adding custom brass front and side pans. Depending on the True Scale class motors are ProSlot 16D sealed or Hawk 7. Axle hangers are modified to fit bushings for 1/8 or 3/32 axles.  See the link for class overview http://slotblog.net/...class-overview/ and for Gran Sport class specifically, see the link http://slotblog.net/...way-gran-sport/ For a complete set of True Scale rules see the link http://slotblog.net/...s-final-121816/

 

OSCAR is a loose association of clubs in Oregon. OSCAR based chassis must be in line configuration. Chassis are scratch brass and wire jobs. Unfortunately (for me anyway), they do not run with scale wheels (.790 rear an O-Ring fronts). Sorry I don't have an image of an OSCAR chassis available at this moment but below is an Image of an OSCAR Can Am Car. The wheels do not look to bad because the Can-Am cars are so small. The wheel look really out of scale on say OSCAR  Super Stock Class. see image below

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 01:22 PM

Shown below is one of my entrants in the Le Mans Trial competition.. GT40 - Scholer Chassis

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Posted 20 July 2019 - 05:14 PM

RIch,

 

How about my 2 1969 Ferrari 312P Spyder and  '69 312P Ferrari Barchetta cars.  2 were entered in the 1969 24 Hours of Le Mans; both DNF. Earlier that year either in the spyder (open) or Barchetta  (closed) form the 312's raced at Daytona, Sebring, Brands Hatch, Monza and nurburgring.

 

Conventional OSCAR brass inline chassis, proslot motors. Bodies are from hard resin model kits by Paul Fisher of Fisher Models and Patterns. He made a number of wonderful hard resin kits, but unfortunately he lost everything in that terrible Paradise, CA fire last year which totally burned the whole town including his home.

 

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I also have:

'52 XK-120, Europe Sports Car kit. Long but narrrow, 2.5 in wide, perfect for PPS revised Clubmans Lights class

'56 Ferrari 850, Resilient Resins

'57 Maserati 450S Resilent Resin 

'57 Corvette "Fuelie,"  Monogram (large scale wheels)

'58 Ferrari 250TR (resilient Resin), 

'63 Ferrari GTO  Revell Slot car body have had this since 1964

'64 Ferrari GTO, Series II, K&B slot car body, Large scale wheels

'64 Cobra 289  Resilient Resin

'64 Cobra 427 Monogram with large tires/rims

'65 Cobra coupe), Gunze Sanyo

'65 Aston Martin DB5, Doyusha (Japan)

'65 Shelby GT-350R, Monogram -racing version. entered 1967 Le Mans by  Claude Dubois of Belgium lasted 7 hrs

'65 GS Corvette Roadster, (Historic Racing Miniatures-hard resin, long out of production) large scale wheels

'66 Jaguar E Type Carrera slot racing body

'66 Porsche 906 Russkit,  another classic slot car saved from 1966. Pro-track rims/tires)

'67 Ferrari 412 (customer version of the P4) Fujimi 

'68 Ford GT (John Meyer version-wider rear fenders) Fujimi

 

All 1/24; some on Hanna chassis; others I built, no Plafit or similar

 

 


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Posted 20 July 2019 - 08:41 PM

RIch,

 

How about my 2 1969 Ferrari 312P Spyder and  '69 312P Ferrari Barchetta cars.  2 were entered in the 1969 24 Hours of Le Mans; both DNF. Earlier that year either in the spyder (open) or Barchetta  (closed) form the 312's raced at Daytona, Sebring, Brands Hatch, Monza and nurburgring.

 

Conventional OSCAR brass inline chassis, proslot motors. Bodies are from hard resin model kits by Paul Fisher of Fisher Models and Patterns. He made a number of wonderful hard resin kits, but unfortunately he lost everything in that terrible Paradise, CA fire last year which totally burned the whole town including his home.

 

attachicon.gif69 ferrari 312's.JPG

 

I also have:

'52 XK-120, Europe Sports Car kit. Long but narrrow, 2.5 in wide, perfect for PPS revised Clubmans Lights class

'56 Ferrari 850, Resilient Resins

'57 Maserati 450S Resilent Resin 

'57 Corvette "Fuelie,"  Monogram (large scale wheels)

'58 Ferrari 250TR (resilient Resin), 

'63 Ferrari GTO  Revell Slot car body have had this since 1964

'64 Ferrari GTO, Series II, K&B slot car body, Large scale wheels

'64 Cobra 289  Resilient Resin

'64 Cobra 427 Monogram with large tires/rims

'65 Cobra coupe), Gunze Sanyo

'65 Aston Martin DB5, Doyusha (Japan)

'65 Shelby GT-350R, Monogram -racing version. entered 1967 Le Mans by  Claude Dubois of Belgium lasted 7 hrs

'65 GS Corvette Roadster, (Historic Racing Miniatures-hard resin, long out of production) large scale wheels

'66 Jaguar E Type Carrera slot racing body

'66 Porsche 906 Russkit,  another classic slot car saved from 1966. Pro-track rims/tires)

'67 Ferrari 412 (customer version of the P4) Fujimi 

'68 Ford GT (John Meyer version-wider rear fenders) Fujimi

 

All 1/24; some on Hanna chassis; others I built, no Plafit or similar

 

 

Great looking cars and legal to run ( I have listed 312 p) Looks like you have a lot of cars that would qualify. As I mentioned, my list is not exhaustive, but I tried to list those that might competitive and not astronomically high in price. From what I have seen, the 1968/69 GT40s are likely the best. The Porsche 906 is narrower but lower. I have one and it is pretty quick.

 

Anyway, I hope the guys will enjoy the trials. We will start a week from Monday along with races in two other classes. As always, you are always welcome!

Rich


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