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#1 Pete L.

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 03:16 PM

Fellas,
 
I saw it somewhere but can't find it now, the weighted guide legality. Are the tungsten-weighted guides legal in the IRRA® Retro classes?
 
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Posted 06 September 2019 - 03:21 PM

Short answer: yes.


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 03:59 PM

 Thank you!


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 04:33 PM

The ones being sold by Mid-America have a longer blade then the rules allow. You have to trim the length slightly to make them legal.


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 04:46 PM

Just out of curiosity, why is this not considered adding weight under the chassis? 


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 05:00 PM

Because the reg is that weight cannot be added to the bottom of the chassis. And a guide flag is not a chassis...


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 05:25 PM

Does that also include RetroPro anglewinder being run at the Fall Brawl?


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 08:21 PM

I would not recommend it on that King track.

 

I will verify with Brian Warmack on its legality under SCRRA rules though.


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 08:45 PM

Noose, I’m confused? Not recommending it because it doesn’t work or it is not legal?

The Fall Brawl is an IRRA® race but are you saying it is run under SCCRA rules were weighted guides are not legal?

Thanks for the help.


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 08:46 PM

The RetroPro is run under SCRRA Rules – and those guides are not legal in SCRRA. FWIW.


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 10:49 PM

The Fall Brawl is an IRRA® race but are you saying it is run under SCCRA rules were weighted guides are not legal?

 

Gary,

Let me help clear up your confusion.

The IRRA® does not sanction races. It is simply a body that maintains a ruleset that others are free to use so long as they do not modify or change them beyond the allowable options. This is all explained on the IRRA® WEBSITE.

The Fall Brawl is an event put on by SpeedZone NJ that uses a combination of (mostly) IRRA® classes and one SCRRA class, with each organization's rules applying to to the applicable classes.

 

Yes, sometimes IRRA® BoD members particpate and assist, but the race is not an event put on by that organization.


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Posted 07 September 2019 - 05:07 AM

Greg, thanks for the explanation.
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 07:51 AM

Has anybody tried this guide yet? It seems to me you could get a short through those embedded slugs.
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 07:59 AM

He puts a coating over them, not sure what type. I have been using the original weighted Swiss guide on my wing and GTP cars and it is the bomb. Trying the tungsten guide on my LMP car also, don't have an performance comparisons but have no problems in practice but I have yet to race it. 


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Posted 07 September 2019 - 10:01 AM

Noose, I’m confused? Not recommending it because it doesn’t work or it is not legal?

The Fall Brawl is an IRRA® race but are you saying it is run under SCCRA rules were weighted guides are not legal?

Thanks for the help.

     

When the SCRRA first took over from D3 we had many inquiries concerning our RetroPro rules. Since RP was kind of a novelty class our response was to basically tell everyone to use our rules as a guide but feel free to change anything as they saw fit to accommodate any 'local rule' situations.    

 

So if SpeedZone and the IRRA® want weighted guides in RetroPro the SCRRA certainly has no problem. In fact, Retr Pro has pretty much died out here on the West Coast, but if the class could ever be resurrected I would certainly be in favor of allowing the weighted guides as the RP races are generally carnage! Maybe a minimum weight limit also...  :)


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Posted 07 September 2019 - 12:30 PM

Thanks, Bryan. If non-weighted in that the rules say no problem, weighted would be nice but probably not worth the hassle in changing.

I personally would not like to see minimum chassis weights, as it takes away creativity in chassis design. These car are closest to the 1970-75 pro cars I used to run.

As far as the racing being carnage, why is that? I build one car with a regular FK, it was fun, drivable on par with a flexi-FK. Going to test tomorrow with the X12 motor to see how that goes.
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Posted 08 September 2019 - 07:18 PM

Oh my! Got my RetroPro car on the track to today. I see what you mean, its like racing a 1975 C-can 24 open car with no stick it. A blast but very lots of unusable horsepower in the corners. Track was a little slippery so I need to due more testing to see if I can control the beast.


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Posted Yesterday, 03:57 PM

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I use the weighted guide on all my cars at the Brawl Except RP no need for it the body gives you plenty of down force Tire of choice there will be Thunder Med or Alpha Med full Hub 

 

jason

 

Qualifying A main 3.1-3.3  race times if track is good High 3.3-3.5's  


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Posted Yesterday, 06:51 PM

Oh my! Got my RetroPro car on the track to today. I see what you mean, its like racing a 1975 C-can 24 open car with no stick it. A blast but very lots of unusable horsepower in the corners. Track was a little slippery so I need to due more testing to see if I can control the beast.

 

a wire choke would be helpful.

 

I have talked to a guy who won a few RP races... if you get the car to be punch in the finger and donut on a king, you will be fast


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Posted Yesterday, 08:37 PM

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I use the weighted guide on all my cars at the Brawl Except RP no need for it the body gives you plenty of down force Tire of choice there will be Thunder Med or Alpha Med full Hub 
 
jason
 
Qualifying A main 3.1-3.3  race times if track is good High 3.3-3.5's


Thanks Jason for the information, im going on vacation Sunday for 3 weeks so when I get back, I will try the medium thunder which I just obtained. I also going to make some chassis mods and take some of the play out. Also guide plate needs to be raised.

Those times your quoting are what our group f cars run on marks model world where I race.

Wonder how marks compares to this track.
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Posted Yesterday, 08:38 PM

a wire choke would be helpful.
 
I have talked to a guy who won a few RP races... if you get the car to be punch in the finger and donut on a king, you will be fast


Thanks Mike, I have one and will try that, I forgot it last time.
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Posted Yesterday, 09:12 PM

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Those times are for the King we will be racing on at the Brawl 

 

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