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#1 Twisted Metal

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 10:30 AM

This will be the 2nd Annual Southern Retro Rumble at Fast Eddie's SC&R this weekend September 28th & 29th.

 

This race was created to show the rest of the country the quality of retro racers we have here in the South. Hopefully one day this will be a Premier race that all retro racers from around the United States would want to attend.

We hope that all of our Florida racers can make one of the days for this event to join in the fun.

 

Here is a quick reference schedule of our hours this week & weekend so everyone is aware there will be a Retro Race at our Raceway.

 

Thursday 9/26 - Raceway opens at 1:00PM for practice until 9:30PM fee is $15.00

Friday 9/27 - Raceway opens at 10:30AM for practice until 9:30PM fee is $15.00

Saturday 9/28 - Raceway opens at 8:00AM. GT Coupe Tech opens at 10:30AM with qualifying starting at 11:00AM and races to follow immediately after qualifying.

Lunch Break 

Tech for Stock Cars will open at 4:00PM and qualifying to start at 4:30PM with races to follow immediately after qualifying.

GT Coupe will be run on the 154' Hillclimb track and Stockcars to be run on the 126' Tri-Oval. The raceway will close at 10:00PM Saturday night.

 

Sunday 9/29 - Raceway opens at 8:00AM 

CanAm tech will open at 9:30AM with Qualifying starting at 10:00AM. Races to follow after qualifying has been completed.

Lunch Break

 

Formula 1 Tech will open immediately after our Lunch Break which should be around 2:00 - 2:30PM

F1 qualifying to follow tech with racing to start directly after qualifying.

CanAm class will be run on the 154' Hillclimb track and the Formula 1 class will be run on the 126' Tri-Oval.

 

Elaine & I look forward to hosting this event this weekend and making it a fun event for all who attend.

Special thanks to all of our sponsors this year for the giveaways and raffle prizes.

Bartos Racing Products, Dominator Chassis's, Gator Region Retro Racing, Jersey John Chassis's, JK Products, PAW Braid, Port Jefferson Raceway, Ralph Thorne Racing Products, Ultimate Racing Products, JB Effects

 

 

 

 


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#2 Eddie Fleming

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 04:08 PM

Eddie what is the braid depth on the two tracks?

 

It would be nice to be in the ballpark to start.


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Posted 23 September 2019 - 04:57 PM

There's a GRRR braid depth thread on this forum, and it says:

Pinellas Park Hillclimb - .035"
Pinellas Park Tri-Oval - .020 to .030"
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Posted 23 September 2019 - 06:41 PM

On the tri-oval, orange lane on the back straight seems to be a lot deeper. For a retro car, you might need to pull down the braids when you get on that lane.

.035" is very close for the hillclimb. Could be .040" in the donut.


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Posted 23 September 2019 - 06:49 PM

Thanks Arron and Doc. :)


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Posted 23 September 2019 - 06:55 PM

I've been setting cars up for the hillclimb using a block with a .035 recess. I use .030 recess for the oval.
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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:28 AM

Just for grins, you could shape the guide braid so it's totally flat to the guide then see if the car can be driven slowly all the way around the track in various lanes.

 

On the oval in orange lane, see if it stops on the back straight.

 

Then, if the car goes around the track at full speed but stutters in some places (due to poor braid contact), I believe like the guide is shimmed properly. 

 

Fluff the braids a little and you're good to go.  Make sense?


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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:53 PM

Prepped and ready to go test.

If anybody needs any advice feel free to ask. Sometimes being pointed in the right direction can really help in race prep.

Maybe I can talk Shrek Racing into going to OZ Gentle Men's club 🍺 down the road.

See y'all there Thursday.
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Posted 24 September 2019 - 10:23 PM

Prepped and ready to go test.

If anybody needs any advice feel free to ask. Sometimes being pointed in the right direction can really help in race prep.

Maybe I can talk Shrek Racing into going to OZ Gentle Men's club 🍺 down the road.


See y'all there Thursday.






How do I make my cars as fast as yours?
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Posted 24 September 2019 - 10:47 PM

How do I make my cars as fast as yours?

I know what chassis you have.

You'll be a rocket!
Test, test, test and go test some more.
You're never fast enough!!! 💯

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 06:52 AM

Grant and I will be there Sat for oval and CanAm on Sunday.

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 06:59 AM

Save us a pit space and a tall chair for me. Those folding chairs are too low. Thanks.

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 11:21 AM

Great....safe travels coming over!



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Posted 25 September 2019 - 11:37 AM

Alright, guys... only three more days to the Southern Retro Rumble at Fast Eddie's Slot Cars & Raceway here in Pinellas Park, FL.

Ralph Thorne made some great plaques for this year's event and several sponsors have donated a lot of giveaways for the two-day event.
 
Elaine and I hope that several of you are able to make the trip over to join in the fun on either of the two days.

We wish everyone safe travels coming to this years event and we look forward to seeing all of you this weekend.

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:58 AM

What a fun weekend of racing.

Racers as a whole improved from last year and everybody was very helpful with each other. Good times!

I was on the fence initially with F1 being raced on the tri-oval. I'm now a fan of it. It was a cool change up from the norm. Lots of laughs while racing on it.

I want to give Fast Ed and his wonderful wife Elaine a big THANK YOU for hosting the race and all the hard work that comes with running a slot car facility.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 11:56 AM

Looks like a great event.

Were the F1 rules modified to allow offsets and such for the oval?
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 12:09 PM

Matt:

The rules were not modified for the F1 event and in fact as one of the tech directors for this event Eddie Fleming's ingenious design was allowed since the guide and motor were centered in the track of both the front and rear wheels. What was not centered was the body and part of the chassis. He basically took advantage of the way rule 14a was written which didn't adequately define the true "centerline" of the car. It's my understanding that F1 rule 14a will be modified to disallow this type of car in the future.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 12:24 PM

Thank you for the clarification, Jay. F1s on an oval sounds fun and interesting.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 12:37 PM


I'm not sure on how the rules affect how to build an offset chassis.

Even if the rules allowed an offset chassis most chassis I've seen in general, including flexi, are too extreme of an offset, IMO. I think a minor offset is good but I believe most are overdone.

Now a slight offset wheelbase helped. What dropped my times considerably was staggered front and rear tires.

My old hometrack having a tri-oval for 28-ish years helps my cause.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 12:42 PM

I'm not sure on how the rules affect how to build an offset chassis.


Centerline rule, but Jay explained it.

Nice wins, DZ.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 12:45 PM

Rules now read motor shaft and guide must be centered in chassis. So as I read rules the car was illegal.

We are going to add that chassis will be centered in the front and rear tire track.

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 12:59 PM

Would that make spacing one tire out more than the other illegal as it changes the center of the tire track? This would kill a tuning option in all tracks in all classes if so.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 01:02 PM

Only F1 needs that rule.

All the other classes specify tires must be under body. As long as they don’t stick out it’s OK how you space them.

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 02:45 PM

I disagree, Tony.

 

I think the IRRA® BoD needs to take a look at this for each class and make sure the chassis/track centerline is properly defined.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 05:23 PM

I just got home and saw this discussion.

 

I had no intention of starting a controversy. In fact when I built it I did not think we were going to race F1 on the oval. It was built as a gag at Jay for starting the oval F1 conversation.

 

Please don't go over complicating the rules. Just say you can't do that and that's fine.

 

The car did run well it just suffered from driver errors. On the other hand that front wheel sticking out like that is just begging to be bent in a crash. 


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