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#1 Rotorranch

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 03:44 PM

Can anyone tell me if this car is the real thing?

 

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 04:30 PM

It looks like a mediocre, amateur built, late 60's, anglewinder, with an EB drive Mura motor, and a Dave Bloom production body, very similar to the below one, a local person that raced at Hinsdale, back in the day, left for me to "freshen up".

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 05:00 PM

....Memorex! :)

 

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 11:05 AM

Hey Jeff, I am suspicious because the db bodies I have and have seen have a stripe with fogging and the db is hand painted thicker than the body you show.

Is your db painted on top with a brush with the white dot painted on the inside of the body?


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 11:45 AM

I think the chassis was originally a Phase III or Cobra that was modified on the bat wings. One of the reasons may have been I seem to remember that race chassis widths were expanded with a rules change.  The mods may have been to accommodate that evolving widening of the chassis designs. Circa very late '60's. 

 

The body is a Dave Bloom "production" body.  Don't let that word-"production"- fool you.  They were hard to come by and rare even back in the day.


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 12:09 PM

Hey Jeff, I am suspicious because the db bodies I have and have seen have a stripe with fogging and the db is hand painted thicker than the body you show.

Is your db painted on top with a brush with the white dot painted on the inside of the body?

 

Martin,

 

Yes! And it does have fogging, basically down both sides of the cockpit ( hard to see on the dark metallic olive paint).

 

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 12:15 PM

I agree with Steve, the chassis was either a Cobra,  Phaze III, or else made using the brass parts from either. This droparm isn't one piece of sheet brass. Any the Phaze III I've ever seen or had were, so i'm guessing the brass is Cobra's. As I recall, chassis widths increased from 3" to 3 1/16" in 1970 or 71. I still have the red Arco Check tool I filed out for the new width.


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 12:20 PM

Jeff,
I doubt one could add a clean white dot on the inside of the body.

Assuming you bought the car off of Ebay, was the Dave Bloom painted body played up in the description.

With being in this area, when guys bring in their old stuff, I see Dave Bloom bodies semi-regularly.

I recall that some were pretty pedestrian.

Not an expert on Production anglewinders from that era, but the non-one piece drop arm, and especially the construction of that hinge leads me to believe it was handmade.

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 12:25 PM

A couple more chassis pics.

 

The motor looks cooked. If not, it got bad hot! The windings are dark brown. 

 

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 12:36 PM

I think we can call that "homemade".

 

I bet when he originally made it, he ate a spur gear, or two, and fixed the problem.

 

If you run that baby in the rain, at least you don't have to worry about it hydroplaning. LOL


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 12:52 PM

John Cukras made that style droparm for some of his cars.


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 12:59 PM

I kind of think it has been modified over its lifetime. The main rails and drop arm as well as the axle tubes, are nicely done. 

 

The pans, however, leave something to be desired. And there are obvious crash repairs.

 

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 01:08 PM

I'll ask again.

Was the body portrayed as a Dave Bloom in the ad?

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 01:16 PM

I'll ask again.

Was the body portrayed as a Dave Bloom in the ad?

 

Sorry Mike. I hadn't got to that one yet. Yes, I believe it was mentioned.

 

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 04:27 PM

at the end of the sixties and early seventies i used to paint bodies trying to "mimic" bloom bodies..the green gold color seems to be correct (one of his)

 

however as mentioned seems not enough shading of fogging for him (as mentioned) and what always stood out for me was the lettering...since there is no lettering to speak of here except for the db on the dot i will say that the db is suspiciously "fine" for authentic....

 

not yet mentioned is the trademark db seems to be on a different side, and my memory is not good enough to recall if they were always on the same side


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 08:16 PM

I just looked at my examples and all the pics I have saved and the db is on the left side. Not to say that is always the case.

Jeff, what made you question it in the first place?


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 09:21 PM

Here's one on the right.

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And a pretty pedestrian, non-striper;

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 07:18 AM

Looks like a typical racer built copy of chassis seen in the race reports of the era. Just not very well done even before the repairs were made. Looks like it may have even had the rear motor brace on the axle tube at one point as was the fashion and the owner  did not want to ruin the Mura decal on this motor.


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Posted 20 October 2019 - 07:19 AM

It’s pretty crude.


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Posted 20 October 2019 - 06:33 PM

I have two Cobra/Phaze III anglewinders from that era, they don;t look much like that, especially the drop-arm configuration.  It's possible it started out as one of those, but it's been pretty well hacked up along the way if that's the case.


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Posted 20 October 2019 - 06:41 PM

"Is it real" 

 

Is it real what?

 

Yes it is a real old slot car. 


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Posted 20 October 2019 - 07:08 PM

I just looked at my examples and all the pics I have saved and the db is on the left side. Not to say that is always the case.

Jeff, what made you question it in the first place?

 

 

Martin,

 

I was pretty sure the body was a real db, but didn't know if the chassis had any significance.

 

At least it's parts!

 

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 07:28 PM

....Memorex! :)

 

Cheers

 

 

I was wondering if anyone would catch that reference! LOL

 

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 09:48 PM

Is it live........https://www.youtube....h?v=EZyFcJcZiaU


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