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#26 Jason Holmes

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 10:52 AM

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Yes membership is 15.00

 

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 07:49 PM

Id be interested in coming to race periodically. Cant come every month from AZ, but occasionally would be nice
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Posted 23 October 2019 - 07:55 PM

here is a idea, that's used in big car GT racing, Balance of Performance (BoP).

 

http://www.dailyspor...erformance.html

 

let's say you can't run within 95% (lap times/total race laps) of the podium guys, then you get to use a higher downforce body.

 

keeps the slow guys from being too discourage, and the fast guys happy (that have the skills) .

 

Keith uses a handicap system in the Hardbody racing, so this is a little different but the results are the same, it keeps all the racers in the mix.

 

 

OR

 

run the race with two class of cars high and low downforce

 

 

 

OR

 

you can run a high downforce body, but with a weight penalty

 

 

 

Any motorsport, by nature, is not fair. More skill, more money, more experience.....................

but as an organizer, what can you do to make the show more appealing to all?

 

Look at the decline of all the programs.

there was a scale program at BPR, where is it now?

what happen to the wing racing at BPR that was so promising?

the decline in the retro at BPR?

 

so why not try something a little different........... you be no worse than you are now


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Posted 25 October 2019 - 04:23 PM

Hey guys, thanks for the feedback here and direct to me personally. I appreciate it!

 

A few things in no particular order

 

I found out yesterday that hardbody is run on the 3rd Sunday. I thought it was 3rd Saturday. I talked to Debbie and we both agree that the 3rd Saturday would be better for the scale racing, rather than trying to jam 4 races into one day. AGREE/DISAGREE

 

Both classes will be "A" and "B" groups. This is not by qualifying, but by your skill set. If Bill V has a problem in qualifying and turns the slowest time, he is still in the "A" race. I Bob Ahuli pulls one out of nowhere and qualifies 3rd overall, he will still run in the "B" race. And each group gets their own winners podium  and pix. If we have to combine them to have the race, they still get their own pix and podium.

 

Both of these races that have been proposed are for Group 12. I have been informed that down in San Diego, you could run either a "C" can or a ProSlot 4002 sized can, with ceramic mags of course. You guys ok with this? YES/NO

 

For the GT12, the "A" race uses step winged bodies using the rules and approvals we have from our thursday night races. Do we allow the "B" group to run the big wing bodies(O/S BentLee for example) or do we make them run the step wing bodies also. And what happens if we have to combine the "A" and "B" groups, allow the "B" group to run the big wings mixed in with the step wing?

 

Any past or present GT12 chassis is OK. If your chassis does not have gear guard struts, you can replace the struts. No other change can be made to the chassis.

 

Body for the production class. ISRA has a spec body. Do you want to go with that, or do you want to allow other bodies also?

 

"BIG WING" bodies must have USRA approval for GT12

 

Do you want to require drivers?


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Posted 25 October 2019 - 06:35 PM

Thanks Bill !!! for considering everyone's c**p, LOL

This is going to be cool. I rather setup a few expensive motors than hunting thru a stack of cheap motors. And the GT12 chassis are sophisticated enough but not too costly.

And I do like higher downforce racing. Don’t think I will fare any better than I have in the other forms of 1/24 racing, but I think I will enjoy it more, lol.

 

I found out yesterday that hardbody is run on the 3rd Sunday. I thought it was 3rd Saturday. I talked to Debbie and we both agree that the 3rd Saturday would be better for the scale racing, rather than trying to jam 4 races into one day. AGREE/DISAGREE

I rather have race on wing car sat, because I work on sat am, but do what is popular, and I will make the gt12 race

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Both of these races that have been proposed are for Group 12. I have been informed that down in San Diego, you could run either a "C" can or a ProSlot 4002 sized can, with ceramic mags of course. You guys ok with this? YES/NO

PS 4002 setup is what is use in RetroPro, not as good as C can???, and brushes are short so you lose brush tension sooner, but I got a few of these and will use them 

 

For the GT12, the "A" race uses step winged bodies using the rules and approvals we have from our thursday night races. Do we allow the "B" group to run the big wing bodies(O/S BentLee for example) or do we make them run the step wing bodies also. And what happens if we have to combine the "A" and "B" groups, allow the "B" group to run the big wings mixed in with the step wing?YES consider a spec body see below

 

Body for the production class. ISRA has a spec body. Do you want to go with that, or do you want to allow other bodies also?SPEC Red Fox Audi RS5 ISRA 2019 RF RS5B

 

 Do you want to require drivers?NO

 

 

Consider this as a spec body for gt12 B, it has more downforce than USRA approved LMP bodies, but not as ugly as the USRA GTP bodies:

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Posted 27 October 2019 - 09:31 PM

Definitely NO on the Orca bodies.  But GT 12 and Production can  use the SAME motors--so that would be most economical for the racers.  Red Fox bodies in Production I understand are legal as well-- and yes--it's laser cut steel chassis for GT 12-I have several older ones-- I'd be interested in coming down for a Saturday 2 race day!! This would be FUN and FAST racing--- I like Mike's suggestion of the JK bodies--makes it simple.

I'm hoping to go up to the Nats next year so USRA bodies would be GREAT! 


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Posted 27 October 2019 - 10:25 PM

NO to Orca  please run USRA Legal bodies in both because some of us will be going up north to the NAT's   12 motors in both class C-cans will be cheaper and 1 motor will last 2 races              

3rd Sat will work    many years ago we tried running low DF with High DF it didn't work at all                                                                                                                                                                   

For Prod 24 any legal 2016-2020 ISRA body  GT12 A any USRA Legal LMP body  B any USRA legal GTP body

 

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Posted 28 October 2019 - 02:01 PM

Jason,

Post USRA LMP and Gtp body list here, thanks

To clarify, Orca LMP body only for B gt12, if Bill decides to let B run a higher df body
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Posted 28 October 2019 - 06:28 PM

My current train of thought is

 

For the Production class, use the Red Fox body

 

for the gt12 use the current USRA legal bodies for the class

 

 

 

 

at leas tthru the ISRA and USRA Nats

 

and then discuss what to do about expanding the list.

 

Jason you said there was a problem about running the "big wing" and the stepped wing together. Whar was the problem?


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Posted 28 October 2019 - 08:11 PM

From what I can find, this is the current body list :

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Posted 29 October 2019 - 03:28 PM

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The problem is the speed of the Big wing and the cars flying all over the place because you get run over and no one wishes to destroy a car 

 

and that list will change after the 1st of the year  That is an old list  website is  www.usraslotsofficial.com look under Rules look under Scale Div. Approved  Components left hand side of page scroll down to bottom 


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 06:39 PM

so I got a Mack BD3 with a mini can x12 put together and one of every possible body that we might run, lol.

so decided on what body... so I can mount it and see how it runs, lol


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Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:18 PM

The problem I am having with the GT12 bodies is this

 

If we have A racers run the step wing and the B racers get to run the big wing and there are not enough B racers, what do we do with them? According to Jason, running big wing with step wing creates a problem because of speed differential. 

 

I don't want to send anybody home without racing.

 

What do you guys think of this

 

1. Step wing B

2  Step wing A

3. Big wing B

4. Production (A and B together but separate winners. allow us to split if there are enough racers)

 

Or do we just want to have everyone run step wing?

 

Help me out guys. Post your thoughts and ideas.

 

Not heard any comments yet on allowing C and minican options.

 

Remember A or B is by skill level


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Posted 01 November 2019 - 04:41 PM

the easiest option is to have everyone run USRA legal LMP (step wing).

 

 

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   gt12.png
 
(not my desire, but it is the best solution)
 
big wing GTP bodies are ugly and I don't like them, ugh!
 
there are other LMP bodies (ISRA, MidAm, RTR) but looks like they have more DF (and more attractive looking), but not as much DF as big wing.
 
but, I will sneak in a HD LMP bodies once in awhile (since I have some) to see if anyone notices... Ha, Ha, LOL
 
minican, yes. I have a bunch of them,
they are slower than C can so no big (just convenient, since many of us have them)  advantage.


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Posted 01 November 2019 - 10:13 PM

Flat Track GT12 LMP USRA bodies  Me C cans But I guess Mini X12 Ceramic Mags Like Retro Motors would be okay

 

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In March if you wanted to run GTP bodies in GT12 we could run on the King just like the Nat's would They are running them on the Purple Angel



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Posted 01 November 2019 - 10:35 PM

Stop over complicating it--run USRA legal bodies and keep it SIMPLE!  The Nats are coming next year--so this will help anyone prepping for that too!


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Posted 08 November 2019 - 09:10 AM

USRA legal bodies LMP for GT12 for flat track, USRA lagal bodies GTP GT12 for King or high banked tracks. No split on A & B racers. Everyone races together and total lap times win. Same in Production Races ( no split ) There is no Amature statis anymore. To much extra time to set up races. If you are racing in these type of races with the USRA rules everyone has the same chance at running a good race. There is always going to be the fast guys, but there cars can break down to. 

Your Idea of sticking with USRA legal bodies right now works. As "Tim Neja said" we can practice with our cars and bodies for the Nats. This is a great opportunity for us locals to be able to attend in California.  :good:  :victory:

 

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 09:48 PM

So what is the status of this and are there any rules available?


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Posted 31 January 2020 - 08:19 PM

Hi are you racing GTP on Saturdays? What are the car specs? Are they posted somewhere?

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 08:41 PM

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This Sat. the 15th GT12 LMP bodies Prod24 Flexi Chassis 12 motor DTM body red fox audi19 

 

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